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Posted by Short335 on 11-02-2016 03:26 AM:

Looking for advice

I'm really starting to single out a female I have and just looking for some advice. She does great when you hunt her another dog. She will get a first and first and she has spilt with the meat more than one time. But she is having a tough time being hunting alone she goes hunting fine but just isn't looking looking like she does with company. I don't if it's just a slump or what. Anyone have any advice?

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 11-02-2016 03:36 AM:

What is she doing wrong

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Posted by crooked ridge on 11-02-2016 03:41 AM:

Sounds like she is done for! Just as well give her to me.

Posted by Rocketman55 on 11-02-2016 03:48 AM:

Short335

What you are seeing is very typical of most every young dog that starts out being hunted in company. You have nothing to worry about with your dog, almost every dog looks about half as good when it first gets pulled by it's self.

The hard part for you will be to have the patience to hang in there and keep encouraging her to reach her full potential. There are no short cuts, it simply is boot leather, and commitment, that makes a good dog excel. You just keep hunting her, and after 30 nights in a row (by herself) then re-evaluate and see if she has improved any from when you first put her by herself. Good Luck!!

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Posted by Short335 on 11-02-2016 04:15 AM:

Thanks rocketman55. She is running track backward and losing tracks if they get in a lot of water. She just is half the dog. I hunting her some alone and she would do good but since I started hunting her completely solo all the time she is having a hard time.

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 11-02-2016 04:34 AM:

Personally, I wouldn't let one struggle alone for a month. After 30 nights of it she may have developed habits that are not easily fixed. I'd put her back with another dog often enough to keep her confidence up and try to mix in some easy runs alone. Its hard to comment really without knowing more about her. Jmo

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Posted by Short335 on 11-02-2016 04:45 AM:

You make a good point

Posted by Brother David on 11-03-2016 04:03 AM:

Pack animals

Dogs by nature are pack animals ! So when singling out a hound we are going against nature . It's a lot like Turkey hunting instead of Gobbler gathering his hen , you trying to convince him you aren't interested . Sometimes aggressive calling works, other times less is more ,our job is figuring this out . After all that , each hound is different so the hard part is listening to pup, if it's gobbling it's head off more is better if it's sneaking be quite and wait it out . Good luck and patients !

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Posted by Jgarrett on 11-03-2016 04:05 PM:

Re: Short335

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
What you are seeing is very typical of most every young dog that starts out being hunted in company. You have nothing to worry about with your dog, almost every dog looks about half as good when it first gets pulled by it's self.

The hard part for you will be to have the patience to hang in there and keep encouraging her to reach her full potential. There are no short cuts, it simply is boot leather, and commitment, that makes a good dog excel. You just keep hunting her, and after 30 nights in a row (by herself) then re-evaluate and see if she has improved any from when you first put her by herself. Good Luck!!

I agree with Rocketman55. This is how I have trained every dog I have ever raised. Most are treeing coons within 10 trips to the woods by theirself. Hunting them by theirself exposes how much of the work the old dog was doing when tracks get tough. Somethings a pup just has to learn on their on and doing it alone builds confidence in theirself. However, as someone said each pup is different and requires some good judgment on the trainers part too.

Posted by deadeye ruck on 11-03-2016 04:58 PM:

Re: Short335

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
What you are seeing is very typical of most every young dog that starts out being hunted in company. You have nothing to worry about with your dog, almost every dog looks about half as good when it first gets pulled by it's self.

The hard part for you will be to have the patience to hang in there and keep encouraging her to reach her full potential. There are no short cuts, it simply is boot leather, and commitment, that makes a good dog excel. You just keep hunting her, and after 30 nights in a row (by herself) then re-evaluate and see if she has improved any from when you first put her by herself. Good Luck!!

Rocketman is right. Usually when you single them, they will struggle. These dogs are pack animals but anymore they are bred to be competitive. I think many of the lines are loosing that pack mentality in the woods but when put with company ,they are being driven by their competitive nature.

Anyway, when you first single them out if they struggle as you describe set them up for success. Make sure the dog is successful. Hunt areas where there are plenty of coons and where the terrain isn't too rough. If you don't have the coon population, make some hotspots. Plenty of ways to go about doing that but you want the dog to get it right early and not continue to struggle. Typically once they tree a few alone you can start hunting them in areas where the coons are thinner. It takes time, heartache, boredom but it's what separates the good ones from the great ones.

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 11-03-2016 06:47 PM:

The mean Bruce is here today. I could agree with rockerman until you started talking about the backtracking.
Backtracking is right up there with fighting when it comes to what it takes to get one a ticket to the promise land at my house

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Posted by Jeff Prince on 11-03-2016 07:01 PM:

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The mean Bruce is here today. I could agree with rockerman until you started talking about the backtracking.
Backtracking is right up there with fighting when it comes to what it takes to get one a ticket to the promise land at my house

X2 . A young dog struggling alone is one thing MUCH backtracking is born in. All dogs will backtrack a little at times to figure out which way the track went , but they should swing it around and go the right direction pretty quick.

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Posted by blueherron on 11-04-2016 07:32 AM:

start them alone and they will teach themselves and not rely on other dogs. I would put her where its easy to tree em and figure out what makes her tick, whether its killing coons or petting her up real good... once she gets that down slowly put her in places it is tougher and tougher to tree them. by the end of kill season she will be a different dog.

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