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Lack of heat cycles

I been doing a lot of research much as possible trying to weed out the junk from the truth on what could cause abnormal heat cycles in our dogs.
I am looking for input from factual experiences from everyone with experience with dealing with it.
Also even if you have never had a problem.
I am increasingly believing there are outside influences. It seems odd it happens to every breed of dog big and small.
I do believe the thyroid plays a part. I have my own theories as to what is causing the problem. It sure seems to be getting to be a more common occurrence across all breeds of dogs and not just our hounds.
I have a female just turned 2 years old. She had first cycle at 10 months as she should and it was normal. She just came in a couple weeks ago .Swelled normally dripped one day and never showed any other signs and out she went. Got a female of another breed came in at exact same time.She has not came in properly the last two plus years. She did the same thing. Remember two different breeds.
They were purposely fed two different feeds .The older dog I had on a supplement to support thyroid function. Well guess that did not go well.The young dog was still in my house and had not yet been kenneled when she came in normally the first heat. Now she is kenneled and had an abnormal heat.
Any way I am going to post some questions .If everyone would help .I am trying to see if there is possibly an outside influence either physically, environmental, or chemically .

1..Does your dog have abnormal heats?
2..Does your feed contain soy products ,grains, or grain
free? Please specify which one.
3..Is your dog hunted less than 10 times or more than
10 times a month?
4..Have you ever had the dog tested for Lyme or
any other tick borne illness ?
5.. If tested for Lyme or other tick diseases was it
negative or positive?
If positive what disease and did treatment help?
6..What type feed and water bowl do you use?
Plastic, Aluminum, Stainless Steel, Old frying pan.
7..Is your dog kept indoors , kenneled ,tied out or run
free ?
8..If your dog is tied out what is the consistency of the
ground ? Clay, sand ,gravel , pebbles, etc.? Specify.
9..If your dog is kenneled what is the kennel it is
on top? Wire elevated, stall pads, poured
concrete slab ,cement pavers, tenderfoot, etc.
Please specify.
10..Do you use well water or city water for your dogs ?
11..Are your dogs kept near the city , country setting,
or farm ?
12...Did your dog ever exhibit Thyroid issues such
as hair loss ,Lethargy, excessive weight gain.
13.. Have you ever had the full thyroid panel ran?
Was it normal or abnormal.
14. If it was abnormal did you begin thyroid treatments?
Were they successful in restoring normal heat
cycles?
15..Even if normal thyroid perimeter tests results
did your vet recommend thyroid treatment ?
16..Does or has your dog ever exhibited any allergy
like symptoms? Runny nose , snot in eyes ,etc.?


THANKS IN ADVANCE !!! FOR YOUR REPLIES.

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Absolutely I hVe one that thyroid was normal but low normal took 6 years to get her to cycle and get a litter of pups !!! I am going to start adding iodized salt to the dea I feed and see if it changes also have seen one a day vitamins the ole Roy vitamins I belive is the name I would have to look on bottle but those 2 things I know for a fact is an issue !! Most people look for a quick fix pg600 shot etc,, I been down that road and that will only work if the bitch has scar tissue on her ovaries

Pat sent u pm

I think some of it is passed down through the blood although for the most part i think the food the dog or dogs are eating causes the most of it and i also think that all the 30% protein and high fat feed everyone is feeding is the front door to the problem, Let me ask you this how many wild stray females have you ever seen that was of breeding age out running around that either never had a litter of pups or looked like she had just weaned a litter and they are not eating good because most of the time you can see every bone in them through the skin .

My females have always come in heat every six months,until the last year,and a half. I've changed feeds several times,and started using Nexgard for tick protection on my dogs.Only differences i can think of. I've always changed feeds,so the Nexgard looks suspicious. Anyone else use Nexgard,and have heat cycle problems?

heat cycles

Dog 1 came in to heat first 2 cycles normal. After that she did not come in until i made her a house dog. as for your questions
1 yes and no
2 she ate dads purina dog chow and purina pro plan 30/20
3 she was hunted more than 10 a month when heat cycles started and stoped comming in then was not hunted at all in the and did not come back in heat until she came in house
4 no
5 no
6 plastic
7 tied out dirt and grass when brought inside started heat again
8 n/a
9 dirt and grass
10 city water
11country town
12 no
13 no
14 n/a
15 n/a
16 no
Dog 2 had one normal heat at 10 mo and that was the only one
1 yes
2 purina dog chow purina pro plan 30/20 & 26/16 and purina pro plan focus salmon and rice sensitive skin
3 20 days per mo
4 yes
5 negative
6 plastic
7 indoors with first heat outside the rest of her life kenneled and tied out
8 dirt and grass
9 dirt and grass
10 city water
11 country town
12 yes
13 no
14 n/a
15 n/a
16 yes itchy skin controlling with benadryl
Hope this helps you

I don't have Coonhounds, but I found your questions interesting, and decided to reply, since you mentioned that the heat cycles are a problem in many different breeds. I have kept & raised dogs for many years, and over the years, I have fed many different brands of dog food, as well as supplements on occasion (mostly vitamins). My dogs have lived to be 16 years old with no ongoing health issues in any of them.

Just last night, I read an article on a Veterinary website that was talking about all of the reproductive "issues" that have been going on in dogs, particularly during recent years. The article links these issues to GMO grains in the dog food, in addition to dogs having more exposure to both indoor and outdoor "contaminants" (pesticides, etc.). There are also some types of Thyroid problems that are KNOWN to be hereditary. In our breed, we must test for a hereditary condition called "CHG", as it is 100% fatal in young puppies.

I would be interested to know what your thoughts are, as to the cause of reproductive problems in dogs...

1..Does your dog have abnormal heats? Some of my dogs have had abnormal heats, but others had normal heats, during the same year. I notice that heat cycles vary from one year to the next. Some years, the dogs have "false heats", or they come in but don't stay in for more than 3-5 days. The next year, everybody might be normal...

2..Does your feed contain soy products ,grains, or grain
free? Please specify which one. I feed both kibble & canned food; the kibble has CORN in it. Some of the canned food has "SOY PROTEIN".

3..Is your dog hunted less than 10 times or more than
10 times a month? These dogs are Terriers, so they don't coon hunt, but they are always hunting mice, ground squirrels, etc.

4..Have you ever had the dog tested for Lyme or
any other tick borne illness ? NO.

5.. If tested for Lyme or other tick diseases was it
negative or positive? N/A

If positive what disease and did treatment help? Doxycycline is the antibiotic of choice, but other drugs are used in conjunction with the Doxy.

6..What type feed and water bowl do you use?
Plastic, Aluminum, Stainless Steel, Old frying pan. Over the years, I have used plastic (on occasion), aluminum, and (mostly) stainless steel bowls. I have also used crock bowls, which is what I feed out of.

7..Is your dog kept indoors , kenneled ,tied out or run
free ? The dogs are allowed the run of the house, and they have a fenced-in yard to run in, also.

8..If your dog is tied out what is the consistency of the
ground ? Clay, sand ,gravel , pebbles, etc.? Specify. The yard is part grass, part gravel + dirt mixture (clay & sand).

9..If your dog is kenneled what is the kennel it is
on top? Wire elevated, stall pads, poured
concrete slab ,cement pavers, tenderfoot, etc.
Please specify. I use ex-pens on concrete, with pine wood shavings a few inches thick on top of the concrete. This is if I have to be away for the day. Even then, there are always some dogs loose in my home.

10..Do you use well water or city water for your dogs ? WELL water.

11..Are your dogs kept near the city , country setting,
or farm ? RURAL setting, surrounded by farmland & crops.

12...Did your dog ever exhibit Thyroid issues such
as hair loss ,Lethargy, excessive weight gain. NO, but if it did, I would NOT breed that dog.

13.. Have you ever had the full thyroid panel ran?
Was it normal or abnormal. N/A

14. If it was abnormal did you begin thyroid treatments? N/A
Were they successful in restoring normal heat
cycles? N/A

15..Even if normal thyroid perimeter tests results
did your vet recommend thyroid treatment ? N/A

16..Does or has your dog ever exhibited any allergy
like symptoms? Runny nose , snot in eyes ,etc.? Not to plants, pollen, or molds. Bee stings, yes - but only a couple of dogs have ever been stung, and when their face swelled up, I gave them some Benadryl, and one dose worked like a charm...

Biggest cause of no heat cycles in not breeding regularly.Feeds with soy or beet pulp are high in phytoestrogrns and can affect a female's cycle

Glynn Holmes
478-662-4238
www.tellsblueticks.webs.com

No problem since I quit feeding food with chicken in it. Went back to grain based like always,and zero problems,look gd,don't crap much, live long lives.

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Originally posted by glynnsdawgs63
Biggest cause of no heat cycles in not breeding regularly.Feeds with soy or beet pulp are high in phytoestrogrns and can affect a female's cycle

Glynn Holmes
478-662-4238
www.tellsblueticks.webs.com

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Wow. Been busy and quite surprised at lack of response.
All the questions served a purpose.
Littletown. I believe it is chemicals or contaminants of some sort.But what?
Just as we as humans do not all have the same tolerance or intolerance to allergens or other influences ,I believe our dogs behave similarly .Some tolerate influences on their systems and others can not.
I have long suspected our dog feeds.But if this is true it would have to be something commonly used across all brands.

This is what I am trying to pin point.
I have researched some of the additives that are in our dog feeds.I am quite astonished that one large brand name has soy in all of their recipes.
Here are some things I have found in my searches.

4 most common causes of Thyroid issues..
1. Toxicity ..heavy metal or radiation exposure
2. deficiency..in iodine and selenium
3. Food intolerance ..gluten and A1 casein Allergy
4. Hormone imbalance..High cortisol from stress ,too
many carbs,too little fat

Soy contains both toxins and powerful plant estrogens that upset female cycles and damaged the thyroid.

A study conducted in 2004 . 24 random commercial feeds had enough soy ingredients of phytoestrogens to have a biological effect on pets and also linked to thyroid damage

2 cups of soy milk is equivalent to 1 birth control pill.
soy is commonly listed as vegetable broth in feeds
copper and calcium help regulate thyroid.too much of either will suppress thyroid.
copper sulfate... fungicide ,know poison.yes, it is in our dog feed.
copper is a primary component of birth control pills.helps control ovulation.
copper pipes in homes may leach copper into water

exposure to large quantities of perfluorooctancic acid that is a synthetic chemical used to spray inside of bags.causes irregular heat cycles
powerful pesticides in cornfields
propylene glycol..sound familiar? ANTIFREEZE!! toxic.yes,it is in our feeds.
Ethoxyquin... linked to cancer,thyroid,kidney,reproductive illnesses
too much sugar in diet(carbs)calcium excess imbalance
BPH.. Bisphenol A ..stuff found in plastics will disrupt endoctrine system
artificial vitamin K or K3 is actually toxic.it is added to our feeds.
You may ask if all these things are so bad why is it being put in our dogs feed?

BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT REQUIRES IT!!

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Pat I am sure some of those factors have an effect. But what would be your answer to the man that said he has 3 or 4 females and they all could answer the same to your questions and all fed the same food. Now from time to time the type of food is changed but haven't seen that change anything and they all are on it.

1. I have one female that came in heat for the first time at 16 months of age. Twice since then at about a year interval. This year she drove me crazy coming in heat as she started then stopped then started again and quite frankly messed up a lot of hunt and traveling plans. Finally gave up and when she did come in and stay in I bred her. 10 pups born and she raised 10 healthy pups.
2. One female that comes in like a clock every 7 months.
3. One female that comes in once a year like a clock.
4. I have one female 12 months old out of the female that comes in every 7 months and I will be interested in seeing how she cycles as I plan on her being her a while.

I chalk mine up to a genetic difference and nothing from their environment. Now if I see a change in one of their cycles then maybe I would try and figure what changed with them.

Pat, I will say I am cautious about feeds and I am not sure the consistency is in any of them. You know in most cases the ingredients you read on the label are sprayed on the feed as it goes down a conveyor. Not it makes sense to me when a run starts or stops the spray might not be consistent. Actually the color of the feed is controlled the same way. Then the fat that is sprayed on the feed oxidizes if you put the feed in feeders and the dogs are not eating what you paid for. lol

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Bruce. Just as we as humans have allergies and react differently to environmental influences .I believe our dogs have the same dissimilar reactions to the same things.Some handle them differently.
I recently spoke to a man that has 5 kenneled females.
They were all having regular heat cycles.He became dissatisfied with the feed he was using and changed brands.
Since changing feed brands his females have either not came in or when they did they did not come in correctly.

A lot of the things I mentioned all are factors in humans and dogs in causing infertility or lack of cycles.

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I have a 16 month old that has not came in heat yet ive been feeding her victor feed since she was a 8 weeks old .

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Originally posted by quickdraw
I have a 16 month old that has not came in heat yet ive been feeding her victor feed since she was a 8 weeks old .

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Quickdraw I too have a pup 15 months old that has not yet come in heat. My season starts in 2 weeks and it will be just my luck that she will wait until then to do it if she comes in at all, LOL!!

I too have been feeding her Victor since she was 8-9 weeks old. About 5/8 of the time Red Bag and about 3/8 of the time purple bag.

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Originally posted by glynnsdawgs63
Bet it's got beet pulp in it

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i have a 3 yr old female that has never come into heat. She is now loosing weight. I increased her ration but her weight isn't holding. She is hyper active and acts like she's is full of life. I'm going to take her to the vet the first of the month.

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