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Posted by T-Monroe on 09-08-2016 05:14 PM:

Another Rule Question

Ok here is the question: handler calls wrong dog and is warned, but same handler has a backup handler that takes over after first handler was warned and 2nd handler calls wrong dog. Is the dog scratched or do you warn the 2nd handler and let the dog keep hunting? I know what Rule 6 (k) says, but it doesn't seem to cover this question with a backup handler.

Just curious how this would play out...My thoughts are the warning stays with the hound and not the handler, but I could be wrong.

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Posted by mnash88 on 09-08-2016 05:30 PM:

The way that rule is written, it says "on second offense if HANDLER calls another handler's dog". The warning is never for the hound because it's a handler-related offense.

Is the back-up handler in the woods with the cast and should they know what the dog sounds like? Probably. I don't necessarily agree with this but the way it's written I would say the back up handler would get a warning as well because you are talking two different handlers at that point.

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Posted by turman on 09-08-2016 05:56 PM:

I would think dog is scratched. I don't think changing handlers would reset the warning.

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Posted by mnash88 on 09-08-2016 06:13 PM:

That's the way I think it *should* be but the way the rule is written for the handler makes me think that if you have 2 handlers that might be one warning for each.

Posted by rob thompson on 09-08-2016 06:26 PM:

First offense is minus not a warning! Second is scratch it's not like fouls in basketball if you don't know the dog don't hunt it.

Posted by ThatBlueDog on 09-08-2016 06:44 PM:

Refuse call

Isn't there a rule that says the judge has the right to refuse a call? I usually give one warning when I judge then minus them. I feel like scratching a guy for other than fighting and off game is an easy way out for the win.

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Posted by mnash88 on 09-08-2016 06:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rob thompson
First offense is minus not a warning! Second is scratch it's not like fouls in basketball if you don't know the dog don't hunt it.

I agree with the statement if you don't know the dog you shouldn't be hunting it but where are you getting that first offense is a minus? Unless you're considering that under rule 4d? It's not covered under 6k.

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 09-08-2016 07:30 PM:

Rule 4 n

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Posted by Greg Burks on 09-08-2016 07:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rob thompson
First offense is minus not a warning! Second is scratch it's not like fouls in basketball if you don't know the dog don't hunt it.

This is right.....dog is awarded strike points then minused. .second offense is scratch

Posted by JiM on 09-08-2016 07:44 PM:

Just follow the rules as written. Like Stevens said, first offense is covered by 4(n), award points called and minus. Second offense is covered by 6(k), scratch the handler. Going to a backup handler changes nothing.
These rules are plain and simple, not sure how they could be misunderstood. No warnings and how the judge feels about scratching doesn't matter. If he can't bring himself to do what the rule says, he should hand off the card.

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Posted by T-Monroe on 09-08-2016 07:51 PM:

I better understand it now and the first offense if a handler calls the wrong dog, the Judge will award points called and minus them. Now if a backup handler is used it does not matter because the first offense has already been done and so the dog would be scratched!

Good to know, thanks guys!

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Posted by RLenhart on 09-08-2016 07:54 PM:

Posted by mnash88 on 09-08-2016 08:03 PM:

Ah ok I got it now. Thanks.

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