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Posted by yadkintar on 09-06-2016 01:21 PM:

Circle trees

Went last night had two cold bad tracks when we got to the trees I set my stop watch first coon I found it at about the 4 minute mark second one I found it at about 7 1/2 minutes big ole nasty trees makes you wonder when you watch these play by plays of all the kcs hunts they getting struck fairly quickly every cut but circling more trees than not with the lights they got now he should either be there or not jmo!!


Posted by Rowdy on 09-06-2016 02:56 PM:

Not every tree that is shined for the full time before it is circled. This is a competition and there is some strategy used by the accomplished handlers. Knowing your dog, knowing the score, keeping track of time and knowing the other dogs tendencies plays a bigger role than most spectators know.
I will agree that there are way to many slick trees being circles tho.

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Posted by novicane65 on 09-06-2016 03:09 PM:

I argued with a judge one night about circling a tree my dog was on. He said there's a hole right here with hair on it. I told him there might be hair on it but no coon can fit in that hole. The hole was the size of a skoal can at best. I told him to minus her and I'll send her on. He refused to minus the dog and the rest of cast said to circle it. She went on to tree the only coon seen that night. But makes you wonder how many of these circles are bogus. Only other thing I hate more than a den is a hemlock pine. Which is about all you'll tree around here in the rut.


Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-06-2016 03:17 PM:

It's a totally different ball game shining a tree by yourself when pleasure hunting then it is in a competition hunt. By yourself you can squall, pull vines, smack the tree, shine a dim light while walking in, and not have to handle your dog. In a cast you have a lot of noise and 3 or 4 lights hitting most of the trees and no squalling or pulling vines for the majority of the tree time unless all dogs are handled.

It's just totally different.

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Posted by Darrell Eads on 09-06-2016 03:22 PM:

I started back hunting BP and hes 7 for 7 coons found within 2-3 minutes ,

now if you don't think a coon can get thru a Skoal can sized hole you must have them big monster size coon , we have plenty coon that will squeeze in one

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Posted by Ashley Pratt on 09-06-2016 03:51 PM:

Knowing your dog. I understand what you're saying by this but it goes both ways, if ya got one that slicks why waste all the shining time or risk proving there's nothing up there but leaves and branches lol


Posted by cowboyjones on 09-06-2016 05:48 PM:

About 90 percent of them circle trees should be minuses ! But you won't have much of a score if they do that lol

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 09-06-2016 05:50 PM:

WE had a non-hunting judge circle a known "SLICK"" tree , one of those trees we tree all the time while pleasure hunting and never see a coon in it, NEVER!....his excuse was that he didn't want to make the competition mad wanted them to keep coming back to their events.
SAD SAD SAD state of affairs what these hunts r sinking to.
This is one reason their circling slick trees.


Posted by CHEWBACH on 09-06-2016 05:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cowboyjones
About 90 percent of them circle trees should be minuses ! But you won't have much of a score if they do that lol

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 09-06-2016 05:57 PM:

If a coon can get their head through a hole they can get their body through it too. We have some good sized coon in Minnesota and I have seen coon go into and squalled coon out of holes that amazed me.
I also know if they aren't there they can't look.


Posted by ronald schultz on 09-06-2016 06:28 PM:

i am bad at finding coon,nomatter if its pleasure or comp.

I will shine the 10 in a hunt no matter if its my tree or yours. I have seen way too many coon after we quit and gave it one more look, many of which that
'should
' have been easily seen


Posted by rob thompson on 09-06-2016 06:33 PM:

Who really cares I don't care if somebody's dog can't tree a coon and racks up some circle points! As long as mine isn't there with it!! It really should bother anybody what another man's dog does.


Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-06-2016 06:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dogwhisper
WE had a non-hunting judge circle a known "SLICK"" tree , one of those trees we tree all the time while pleasure hunting and never see a coon in it, NEVER!....his excuse was that he didn't want to make the competition mad wanted them to keep coming back to their events.
SAD SAD SAD state of affairs what these hunts r sinking to.
This is one reason their circling slick trees.



Circle points can't win UKC hunts with exception of the slam hunts. I will never worry about a dog racking up a bunch of circle points. That is unless my dog is covering those circle trees, then I have bigger problems to sort through.

When you show up to a hunt when the leaves are on you know going into it that almost every tree is either getting circled or plussed.

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Posted by DFred on 09-06-2016 09:27 PM:

Several years ago I was hunting a pair of curs. They treed on the same tree 7 nights in a row without me being able to find the coon. This tree didn't have a leaf or a hole to it. The 8th night they treed the same tree again but this time I found the ol' sow and put her out. Poor thing didn't have a tooth in her head. My point is sometimes they ARE there, they just have to make a mistake and show themselves. How many of y'all have enough faith in your dogs to shine the same tree 8 nights in a row?


Posted by Dave Richards on 09-06-2016 09:38 PM:

DFred

Excellent post- Faith in your dog sure plays a role in how hard and how long one looks up a tree. Hunting these steep mountains you better have a accurate dog! Dave

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 09-06-2016 09:45 PM:

If they tree on it 8 nights straight I'll shine it but with no holes or leaves I'm still gonna be skeptical about the first 7 lol. Seein is believin lol

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Posted by novicane65 on 09-06-2016 10:00 PM:

You can count on 2 hands how many slick trees I've been to with my dog in a year and a half. I'm still doubting a coon can fit in such a small hole. I haven't seen it. Not saying the coon wasn't in there but of I was pleasure hunting that night she would've been looking to get under a coon asap.


Posted by Rocketman55 on 09-06-2016 10:56 PM:

Novivane65

If you really want to test that theroy, Catch a coon in a trap, place it in a tight wire cage with a hole the size of a scoal can in it.

Set it out back and check it every so often to see how long that coon stays in that cage. That may help you reach a conclusion.

Just a thought!!

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-06-2016 11:20 PM:

I say do away with circle all together. Either plus or minus..I wonder then what kinda dogs will be bred?

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Posted by pamjohnson on 09-07-2016 12:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I say do away with circle all together. Either plus or minus..I wonder then what kinda dogs will be bred?
x 2
i never can understand why everyone cries nobody would show up at the hunts if they didn't circle all them trees. most fellows get fed up with people circling slick trees and feel the titles are worthless because of them instead. and why wouldn't they?
you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time.


Posted by novicane65 on 09-07-2016 01:01 AM:

Don't worry mike, now all these circle trees will just be called squirrel trees. Nothing to try and hide on that now.


Posted by honalieh on 09-07-2016 01:39 AM:

Agreed

quote:
Originally posted by Bob Hennessey
If a coon can get their head through a hole they can get their body through it too. We have some good sized coon in Minnesota and I have seen coon go into and squalled coon out of holes that amazed me.
I also know if they aren't there they can't look.



I was going to say the same. If they can get their head in they can get the rest of them through. Look at the size of their skull when you skin them. Not nearly as big as they appear all furred out.


Posted by thomasg on 09-07-2016 02:04 AM:

some call it the base ball rule .lol


Posted by high ridge on 09-07-2016 02:05 AM:

Re: Novivane65

quote:
Originally posted by Rocketman55
If you really want to test that theroy, Catch a coon in a trap, place it in a tight wire cage with a hole the size of a scoal can in it.

Set it out back and check it every so often to see how long that coon stays in that cage. That may help you reach a conclusion.

Just a thought!!



Very true

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Posted by JohnKarlak on 09-07-2016 02:44 AM:

I like the cage and a hole theory. I put one in a rabbit pen once with a hole for the feeder. the coon was out of there in 10 seconds or less.

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