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Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 05:01 PM:

Right to Bear Arms

Is there anyone reading this board that thinks that the right to bear arms should be absolute? I mean that the right to bear any and all "arms" is guaranteed by the constitution so any US citizen has the right to have/possess/own any weapon that they want to. I mean that there should be absolutely no restrictions on the purchase, sale or possesion of any weapon whatsoever. Does anyone out there actually believe this?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 05:02 PM:

I wish that I knew how to make this a poll or secret vote.

Posted by Well Started on 02-29-2016 05:15 PM:

Have never met anybody that had any desire to own grenade launchers or nuclear warheads.

Know countless people that believe they should be able to buy any gun on the open market that's available to the average citizen. That will not change.

I will never be able to own a full on race ready Ferrari Indy car and drive it legally on any street in the U.S. I vote we therefore ban all automobiles from driving on streets in the U.S.

It only makes sense right???

Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 05:23 PM:

So, is that a yes or no? Sometimes I have a hard time with my reading comprehension.

Posted by Well Started on 02-29-2016 05:59 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
So, is that a yes or no? Sometimes I have a hard time with my reading comprehension.

It means that some items are illegal to own and operate in public. They were never meant to be a public use item.

So whether the item is legal or not, is the question.

If a Ferrari Indy car is legal to operate on public streets, then I think I have the same right to do so as the next person, even though I have no desire to.

If fully operational tanks and C-4 and grenade launchers were legal to own and use in public, then I should have the same right as the next person to do so. Even though I have no desire to.

As long as normal "arms" are a part of of American life, then yes, I should be able to own the same thing I could expect any bad guy to own.

If or until they become illegal, I have the right to buy and own them at will. They will never become illegal unless the 2nd amendment is changed.

Posted by HOBO on 02-29-2016 06:03 PM:

I believe we have the right to own any firearm that we wish to own. The constitution gives us that right so we can defend ourselfs from the government. There is no way any American citizen could fight against our armed forces with a semiautomatic weapon and hope to win such a fight.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 02-29-2016 06:13 PM:

Yes, i believe the intent of the founders was for the citizenry to have access to whatever was available to defend against enemies foreign and domestic.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 06:20 PM:

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Originally posted by HOBO
There is no way any American citizen could fight against our armed forces with a semiautomatic weapon and hope to win such a fight.

You are right HOBO. They would need tanks, C-4, drones with missile launchers, grenades and grenade launchers, helicopters equipped with missiles and who knows what else our military possess that we don't even know about. I sure would like to have my own missile and missile launcher, even if it didn't have a warhead. Wouldn't that come under "arms"? I see where some of you are interpreting "arms" to mean "guns". I don't see where you are getting that. I mean our forefathers knew exactly what a cannon was and they didn't make a distinction. I bet that they had no idea what "arms" would come to mean in our present day. I wonder what the debate will turn to when someone invents an operational ray gun or laser gun.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 06:27 PM:

Does that also mean that y'all think that all/every citizen has the right to own/possess these "arms"? I mean even stupid, crazy ones like me that don't have enough sense to know when and when not to use them. I bet that if you lived next door to me, you would change your mind. Can you not just imagine what would happen if it was legal for WB to go coon hunting with a stick of dynamite or a small block of C-4 in his pocket? He is dangerous enough with a chain saw.

Posted by john Duemmer on 02-29-2016 06:47 PM:

It boils down to the difference between a right and a privilage, We are a nation of laws and we deny rights to those that break the law, but until they do the right should be absolute. When you restrict a law abiding citizens "right"to bear arms it becomes a privelage.
A people willing to sacrafice liberty for security deserve neither.

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Posted by WVBLUEBOY on 02-29-2016 06:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Does that also mean that y'all think that all/every citizen has the right to own/possess these "arms"? I mean even stupid, crazy ones like me that don't have enough sense to know when and when not to use them. I bet that if you lived next door to me, you would change your mind.

I support ever legal Americans right to arms, and would fight to the death to keep it. Those that are "stupid and don't have enough sense to know when and when not to use them" sure give the antis ammo to use against us that do use our head and do know when and when not to use them. The "crazy" part, I think a doctor is needed for that with a sitting Judge to make a ruling on it. I believe that is that Due Process thing the current Administration so easily forgets about.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 06:55 PM:

Maybe I should start a new topic....Who would be willing to sacrifice a "few" liberties for more security? I mean who would be willing to allow some restrictions on arms use/possesion in order to be "safer" or more "secure". In other words, would you vote for a law to restrict/keep someone with a known mental problem or inability to control his/her actions from owning/possesing/carrying a gun.

Posted by HOBO on 02-29-2016 07:01 PM:

I also disagree with these conceal carry permits. It's my constitutional right to carry a firearm and now where does it say I need a permit to carry one concealed.

I don't have a conceal permit and unless someone can change my view on it I never will have one.

We live in some bad times but I'm not so scared that I feel the need to care a firearm with me at all times. If and when that time arises I will carry openly as is given me my right as an American citizen.

Posted by moleman on 02-29-2016 07:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Does that also mean that y'all think that all/every citizen has the right to own/possess these "arms"? I mean even stupid, crazy ones like me that don't have enough sense to know when and when not to use them. I bet that if you lived next door to me, you would change your mind. Can you not just imagine what would happen if it was legal for WB to go coon hunting with a stick of dynamite or a small block of C-4 in his pocket? He is dangerous enough with a chain saw.

In a few months you may not have to wonder what your rights to Bear Arms means and what Arms you can possess, Lol.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 07:08 PM:

Mr Robinson, I would bet that if you were stopped by the police and were carrying a firearm without a permit, they would show you where it said that you needed a permit to carry one. And I bet that there would be a judge who would change your view on whether you needed one or not.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-29-2016 07:14 PM:

Oh, I think that most of us know what the law says. I was just wondering what the posters on this forum thought about the law. I have also been wondering how many "law abiding citizens" thought that it was their "right" as guaranteed by the constitution to pick and choose which laws that would or had to obey or "abide by".

Posted by HOBO on 02-29-2016 07:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Mr Robinson, I would bet that if you were stopped by the police and were carrying a firearm without a permit, they would show you where it said that you needed a permit to carry one. And I bet that there would be a judge who would change your view on whether you needed one or not.

Like I said, I don't intend on carrying one concealed.

Posted by Well Started on 02-29-2016 09:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
I also disagree with these conceal carry permits. It's my constitutional right to carry a firearm and now where does it say I need a permit to carry one concealed.

I don't have a conceal permit and unless someone can change my view on it I never will have one.

Ted Nugent says that the 2nd amendment IS his concealed carry permit. Haha. I like his way of thinking.

Our Sheriff sends out notices to you when your concealed carry permit is due to expire, so you just have to pay a couple bucks to get it renewed. He doesn't want law abiding citizens to be restricted about carrying a gun. I like his way of thinking also!

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 03-01-2016 12:51 AM:

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Originally posted by moleman
In a few months you may not have to wonder what your rights to Bear Arms means and what Arms you can possess, Lol.

We let them have their way and the only arms we will be allowed to bear will be those attached to our shoulders !

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Posted by Well Started on 03-01-2016 01:12 AM:

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
We let them have their way and the only arms we will be allowed to bear will be those attached to our shoulders !

If they don't get the Second Amendment changed through Congress, they're going to have a rough go of it, because anything else isn't law.

Over 100 million gun owners, owning well over 300 million guns.

Posted by WVBLUEBOY on 03-01-2016 01:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Well Started
If they don't get the Second Amendment changed through Congress, they're going to have a rough go of it, because anything else isn't law.

Over 100 million gun owners, owning well over 300 million guns.

This is True.

Wonder how much of the military would get truly physical with the public to try to take firearms if it ever came to that? I believe all those 3 letter alphabet federal agencies would be more gung-ho to physically hurt the public.

Posted by AngelOfDeath on 03-01-2016 01:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Mr Robinson, I would bet that if you were stopped by the police and were carrying a firearm without a permit, they would show you where it said that you needed a permit to carry one. And I bet that there would be a judge who would change your view on whether you needed one or not.

It might be that way in the state you live in.But in Virginia we can open carry and do not need a permit.We only need a permit when its concealed.So you would lose that bet.

Posted by moleman on 03-01-2016 01:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
We let them have their way and the only arms we will be allowed to bear will be those attached to our shoulders !

If you get the wrong person in the White House and the wrong people in the house seats and that is all it takes, then everyone will be shooting coons out with a slingshot, Lol.

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Posted by Well Started on 03-01-2016 01:42 AM:

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Originally posted by WVBLUEBOY
This is True.

Wonder how much of the military would get truly physical with the public to try to take firearms if it ever came to that? I believe all those 3 letter alphabet federal agencies would be more gung-ho to physically hurt the public.

It is VERY difficult to change the Constitution. It was set up to be difficult to change it. Not just the normal House and Senate passing a bill that becomes law.

They can skirt around the edges, but to outright take our guns they need to first change the Constitution. Anything short of that isn't law, Supreme Court ruling or otherwise.

Gonna take a lot more Dems running the show than there is now before this country would ever stand for that in my view.

Posted by moleman on 03-01-2016 01:48 AM:

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Originally posted by AngelOfDeath
It might be that way in the state you live in.But in Virginia we can open carry and do not need a permit.We only need a permit when its concealed.So you would lose that bet.

I know in N.C. you can open carry to and don't need a permit unless you conceal, they are some County and Town quirks they throw in in most states and they are 1 or 2 in N.C.

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