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A grand idea !!

My idea is not have the grands hunt at the local events have all grand hunts that they pre enter just like the super stakes you have to qualify world hunts you have to qualify ect that way you have nothing but grands show up at a hunt should make folks start hunting at the local level more to grand there dogs out to be able to participate points system on how many grands you competed against to get your win top 36 hunt at autum oaks for the title ( so I can go hunt with sleepy head ) make them qualify to be there what y'all think ?

Wouldn't be a bad idea but it would not do what I would like to see done. I want to see people at the local hunts. If I grand my dog with your plan I'm done at the local hunt. The problem isn't people not showing up to grand their dogs. Its the fact that after they grand them they are done. If he doesn't have a young dog ready for the hunts then he is done until he does. That might be a couple of months or might might be a couple of years. I know at least 10 or more guys around my area that their dog is grand and they cant go to a local hunt.

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Originally posted by joey
Wouldn't be a bad idea but it would not do what I would like to see done. I want to see people at the local hunts. If I grand my dog with your plan I'm done at the local hunt. The problem isn't people not showing up to grand their dogs. Its the fact that after they grand them they are done. If he doesn't have a young dog ready for the hunts then he is done until he does. That might be a couple of months or might might be a couple of years. I know at least 10 or more guys around my area that their dog is grand and they cant go to a local hunt.

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If you made it non pre entry, and the grands had to hunt with nites ch to accumulate pts to qualify for AO, you should have more dogs at the local hunts and also make it harder to grand a dog which would also add to the number of dogs at the local Hunt's

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Originally posted by sleepy head
If you made it non pre entry, and the grands had to hunt with nites ch to accumulate pts to qualify for AO, you should have more dogs at the local hunts and also make it harder to grand a dog which would also add to the number of dogs at the local Hunt's

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Originally posted by sleepy head
If you made it non pre entry, and the grands had to hunt with nites ch to accumulate pts to qualify for AO, you should have more dogs at the local hunts and also make it harder to grand a dog which would also add to the number of dogs at the local Hunt's

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I guess I didn't say it right first of all those boys with ntch are going to squeal about having to hunt against the grands. But what I am going to call it is the bait system if those boys in those local hunts see these grands winning all this stuff what are they going to do? They are going to show up localy in numbers trying to get finished so they can get in on the action what a lot of people don't realize is you got to promote this stuff you can't just say we gonna have a hunt down thar iffin I waken up fromin my nap in time lol !!! Vs 36 grands in heads up competition winner drives a brand new ford pickup with dog box for the title of undisputed grand ntch of autum oaks if that don't get you excited you need to go set on the dead pe@$er bench at Walmart !!!!

Ought to be like the other organizations. Hunt them anywhere you can until their career is over. The other organizations you see a dog that won 60,000 at a $30 hunt because they can play.

After you grand one,go on to other levels of grand.

Most people only have 1-2 really good dogs in their lives if we are lucky. After 10-15 UKC hunts the dog is grand and you done except for big hunts.

We talk about money spent. It's a lot less money on the guy if he can hunt his grand around the house versus traveling to autumn oaks etc. Plus,most of the local grands are really not good enough to warrant going all over the US and their owners know that. But,I think a lot would hunt local.

Performance money was good idea to keep grands at local level but that didn't work. More degrees to earn would keep them coming.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I guess I didn't say it right first of all those boys with ntch are going to squeal about having to hunt against the grands. But what I am going to call it is the bait system if those boys in those local hunts see these grands winning all this stuff what are they going to do? They are going to show up localy in numbers trying to get finished so they can get in on the action what a lot of people don't realize is you got to promote this stuff you can't just say we gonna have a hunt down thar iffin I waken up fromin my nap in time lol !!! Vs 36 grands in heads up competition winner drives a brand new ford pickup with dog box for the title of undisputed grand ntch of autum oaks if that don't get you excited you need to go set on the dead pe@$er bench at Walmart !!!!

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Geeez I just am not getting my point across ok you have the world qualifying hunts everybody try's they get trough that they go to the zones they get through that they take a vacation and go to the world now not to offend anybody there are two other kinds of people that won't the ones that are two lazy and the ones that are to cheap now I fully understand what it is like to be not financially able to compete at that level but don't punish the ones that can afford it that's the proving grounds for our future stud dogs it's a pergresion system that way it generates interest it generates revenue just as you start with an open registered dog then ntch then Grntch you want it to have stages so when you get to the end it means somthing for instance how often have you seen last years autum oaks winners name come up on the message board since it won last year you want that little local Hunter when he enters his first ukc hunt already thinking about someday getting to hunt his dog in the all grand hunt at autum oaks !!!! How many people qualify their dogs for the$$$ world hunts the drive 14 hrs enter up 2 nights just for the chance to say they got to hunt in the world hunt it's the hype , it's the excitement , it's the dream y'all get it now !!

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Originally posted by joey
It want fly with UKC but I like the idea, Its supposed to be their National Grand hunt so make them qualify for it, but we would still need something else as an incentive. Not enough people care about going to AO or any big out of state hunt to make a difference at the local level. Let them hunt against the Nch and pay them performance points. Its simple and nothing has to done other then to let them do it.

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You grand a dog out then just go to the others and play for money $$$$

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Originally posted by MR.RATMAN
You grand a dog out then just go to the others and play for money $$$$

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I am hunting a Grntch now I would like the chance to win a new truck , new dog box , with a new 4 seat buggy with trailer , with a 5 gallon bucket of cash and a life time supply of wataburger free coupons lol!!

I was going to start a thread about numbers being down this thread shows why no fresh ideas , not interested in change , lack of effort , no sense of excitement more less willing to set back and be catered to by sombody else I am diapointed !!

Best thing ever happened is if in all registries is if a dog had to hunt and tree at least one coon alone to even be considered for any kind of a title would sure make it more interesting to know you weren't hunting witn a hitch hiker all the time. I know most want like what I just said but there are way to many hounds at these events that will not get out of light sight without company. Jmo.

I like your idea to qualify for AO and it will get some more back to the local hunts but only until they are qualified. Dont get me wrong I would like to see UKC implement it tomorrow but it will not get done what I'm wanting to see.

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I guess I am just living in the past I remember some absolute wars I was in back then all 4 dogs putting on coon treeing clinics for three hrs when you win one like that you feel a sense of accomplishment and the long nights preparing your dog came full circle and the respect of you fellow hunters. I think we need to make it more challenging instead of shortening the hunt times , no qualifying , getting payed because your dog did less wrong than the outhers go back and make it a competition again make them earn it ukc if you make it more challenging you can count me in even if we have to hunt 4 hrs no excuses !!!

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I guess I am just living in the past I remember some absolute wars I was in back then all 4 dogs putting on coon treeing clinics for three hrs when you win one like that you feel a sense of accomplishment and the long nights preparing your dog came full circle and the respect of you fellow hunters. I think we need to make it more challenging instead of shortening the hunt times , no qualifying , getting payed because your dog did less wrong than the outhers go back and make it a competition again make them earn it ukc if you make it more challenging you can count me in even if we have to hunt 4 hrs no excuses !!!

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Originally posted by bowling
Best thing ever happened is if in all registries is if a dog had to hunt and tree at least one coon alone to even be considered for any kind of a title would sure make it more interesting to know you weren't hunting witn a hitch hiker all the time. I know most want like what I just said but there are way to many hounds at these events that will not get out of light sight without company. Jmo.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkintar
I guess I am just living in the past I remember some absolute wars I was in back then all 4 dogs putting on coon treeing clinics for three hrs when you win one like that you feel a sense of accomplishment and the long nights preparing your dog came full circle and the respect of you fellow hunters. I think we need to make it more challenging instead of shortening the hunt times , no qualifying , getting payed because your dog did less wrong than the outhers go back and make it a competition again make them earn it ukc if you make it more challenging you can count me in even if we have to hunt 4 hrs no excuses !!! [/QUOTE




I wasnt around then...but several old timers at the club say it was better.

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Just a thought it is possible to be the only ntch at a hunt 5 times in a row to make Grntch it happens in this area a lot you say still got to tree a coon well I would cottonpicken hope so !!! Numbers at the hunts ? Well you might not want to hear it but a lot of the older 40's and up don't want to go out there and listen to the dogs babble around for 2 hrs and have to argue with them for circling every thing in the woods don't matter if you can take a coon dog and win us older guys want to compete I want a clear and decisive win against stiff competition or I don't want it !! Some of the younger bunch are like a $10 $&@.?! They want to get paid before they do anything lol !!

Leave the OA format alone, it works great.

Allow Gr Nts to compete at the local events for performance pts if there is not a Gr Nt category.

Don't have an idea about getting grand nites back to the local hunts.It is a fact our attendance has been in decline for some time. Just not as many hunters as they use to be. Got 2 young guys one 11 one 15 that have been going with me on the weekends.They like hunting coons so I bought them there own lights .The looks on their faces was well worth what the lights cost me.They cant wait to go to their first nite hunt. .Getting more coonhunters is the only way we will see numbers up at the local hunts.Take all the young ones to the woods you can find .

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkintar
I guess I am just living in the past I remember some absolute wars I was in back then all 4 dogs putting on coon treeing clinics for three hrs when you win one like that you feel a sense of accomplishment and the long nights preparing your dog came full circle and the respect of you fellow hunters. I think we need to make it more challenging instead of shortening the hunt times , no qualifying , getting payed because your dog did less wrong than the outhers go back and make it a competition again make them earn it ukc if you make it more challenging you can count me in even if we have to hunt 4 hrs no excuses !!! [/QUOTE




I wasnt around then...but several old timers at the club say it was better.

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