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Advice on young dog from u old timers !

I have a 16 month old male dog that i like as well as anything ive ever hunted. Turn him loose alone and hes gone !!!, big mouth,beautiful bawl on the ground,and has a big quivering locate and hard chop mouth tree dog.

Now...heres a normal drop with him in Ohio in December (which i know is tough) and January.....Turn him loose alone, hunts out good, strikes a track at 300-500 yds, works the track out good, barking here and there, generally locates at 700-1000 yds, starts chopping treed and stays til i get there....DEN TREE,DEN TREE,DEN TREE,and an occasional nest. Ive saw 2 coons inside dens but other than that all dens. I have looked into this and cant figure it out,not a slick treeing idiot or he would do it sooner,not squirrels running long tracks like that, plus squirrels arent out at 2-3 am..... Ive also turned my English dog on some of the same night and hes treed several coons. Any ideas ???

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Originally posted by Will Walker
I have a 16 month old male dog that i like as well as anything ive ever hunted. Turn him loose alone and hes gone !!!, big mouth,beautiful bawl on the ground,and has a big quivering locate and hard chop mouth tree dog.

Now...heres a normal drop with him in Ohio in December (which i know is tough) and January.....Turn him loose alone, hunts out good, strikes a track at 300-500 yds, works the track out good, barking here and there, generally locates at 700-1000 yds, starts chopping treed and stays til i get there....DEN TREE,DEN TREE,DEN TREE,and an occasional nest. Ive saw 2 coons inside dens but other than that all dens. I have looked into this and cant figure it out,not a slick treeing idiot or he would do it sooner,not squirrels running long tracks like that, plus squirrels arent out at 2-3 am..... Ive also turned my English dog on some of the same night and hes treed several coons. Any ideas ???

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Im talking probably 25-30 trees Grant and i honestly will hafta pay attention to the tracks more, its not obvious to tell alot about the tracks because he just barks here and there on the ground.....u got me thinking now Grant ! Thank u for posting.

No problem. Keep us posted. Someone else may have other/better thoughts.

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From my experience 50% or better of dens are slick trees that they either back tracked to or were in the processes of a cold track and could not resist all of the smell on a den tree. Boars will go from den to den checking for sows during the rut. Its probably one or the other I would guess.

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Thanks for posting Joey, i sent u a pm.

they are a few things you can do to find out for sure , hunt at different times of the night , take both dogs and keep them leashed and try to get the young dog to strike off of lead and when he does unsnap him and when he gets off a ways unsnap the other dog and see if they both run the track in the same direction , take him out in the day and see what he does a lot of times you can read a dog better in the day and do not let a squirrel fool you they want travel far at night all though i have seen them active for the whole 24 hour period even on the ground , if you watch a dog that trees a lot of dens they are either cold nosed or dogs that can not work a track good and they take it the wrong way and back track , i think he is back tracking all though you could be in some wild coons that are hitting the dens as soon as they hear a bark and if he does not have the speed it can happen i have seen it before ..

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Mr. Walker these guys about covered it but I will suggest one thing. I don't know about your seasons up there and just when you can hunt, but down here we hunt year around. Instead of hunting him on a regular basis now and reinforcing what he is doing, don't hunt him for say a month. Let the weather and conditions change and then go back to hunting with him. Even though you can't prove it, in your heart and with your experience hunting you probably realize it is not good.
When you go back to hunting start out like he has never seen a coon and hunt him in the best spots you have that have plenty of coon. Hopefully he will perform well for you and you can reinforce the good and if some bad shows up then work on it.

Keep us posted, sounds like a nice hound if you can get this figured out.

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Originally posted by Bruce M. Conkey
Mr. Walker these guys about covered it but I will suggest one thing. I don't know about your seasons up there and just when you can hunt, but down here we hunt year around. Instead of hunting him on a regular basis now and reinforcing what he is doing, don't hunt him for say a month. Let the weather and conditions change and then go back to hunting with him. Even though you can't prove it, in your heart and with your experience hunting you probably realize it is not good.
When you go back to hunting start out like he has never seen a coon and hunt him in the best spots you have that have plenty of coon. Hopefully he will perform well for you and you can reinforce the good and if some bad shows up then work on it.

Keep us posted, sounds like a nice hound if you can get this figured out.

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If you can hunt him on the snow on a warm night when the coon are out. You can tell a lot then, it works for me.

Will Walker, where exactly are you located in Ohio. I live in Ohio too and have hunted many different places. The reason I ask is that if you are up north where it is flat, December and January can be especially tough as the wind is always blowing across that flat ground at a 15 to 25 mph clip. Coons don't move as good in those areas when the weather gets rough, like they do down here in these hills.

Secondly, how much hunting pressure do you have in those spots you are turning this go in. How many times this season have you dropped a dog in these woods this dog is coming up treed on dens? This will tell us just how educated these coons have become.

I'm thinking one of two things. Either this dog is back tracking on about half the tracks it is hitting, or these coons are extremely educated. Another thing to consider is that this dog may be a little too heavy to tree, and as others have suggested, maybe he is simple treeing where the scent is strongest, around these ole dens. I would guess that this english dog that is getting coons treed in these same woods, has a little more experience, therefore more able to push on past those dens to get to the right tree.

My brother-in-law many years ago, had a dog that couldn't tree a coon in December and January here. He could look pretty snappy most other months but you could count on one hand all the coons this dog treed in those two months. He was just too heavy to tree.

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Will Walker, where exactly are you located in Ohio. I live in Ohio too and have hunted many different places. The reason I ask is that if you are up north where it is flat, December and January can be especially tough as the wind is always blowing across that flat ground at a 15 to 25 mph clip. Coons don't move as good in those areas when the weather gets rough, like they do down here in these hills.

Secondly, how much hunting pressure do you have in those spots you are turning this go in. How many times this season have you dropped a dog in these woods this dog is coming up treed on dens? This will tell us just how educated these coons have become.

I'm thinking one of two things. Either this dog is back tracking on about half the tracks it is hitting, or these coons are extremely educated. Another thing to consider is that this dog may be a little too heavy to tree, and as others have suggested, maybe he is simple treeing where the scent is strongest, around these ole dens. I would guess that this english dog that is getting coons treed in these same woods, has a little more experience, therefore more able to push on past those dens to get to the right tree.

My brother-in-law many years ago, had a dog that couldn't tree a coon in December and January here. He could look pretty snappy most other months but you could count on one hand all the coons this dog treed in those two months. He was just too heavy to tree.

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Thank you Bruce and it looks to me like the weather is gonna force me to put him up,which might be a good thing. Ill try what you said.

Dave, i live in eastern central Ohio in a town called Uhrichsville and hunt nothing but Muskingum Watershed Conservancy property, theres roughly 30,000 acres that is dogged to death.

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A few coon and turn out without him seeing them then lead or walk him to where you turned coon out and see what he does with those tracks and if he has coon when he trees.

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will this drove me crazy for a couple of rutting seasons to but the bottom line is if he is running a track to the dens its probably the case of males checking for females and he need to check for a track coming out. I had the pup I'm hunting now tree on four dens a couple of weeks ago and thankful for me and him they were all dens I could check and everyone had a least one coon in it. now I will get on him for just falling treed on a den and make him check for a track coming out he is only 7 months old and it kinda hurt me the other night he treed 5 singles but left two trees with coon in them but he took a track away from both the trees with coon in them and treed with a coon and the only explanation I could come up with is it was a male and a female and the male left and the female stayed as both trees he left and treed again I killed big boars out of

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also I hunt the state grounds and they get dogged to death the coon here are educated and soon as they hear a truck door of a dog they are heading for the dens

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Thanks for all the advice....i appreciate it.