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Split tree ?

Dog A is declared treed 300 yards to the north of the cast. Shortly after, Dog B is declared treed 700 yards to the south. Dogs C and D are struck but not treeing. Five's are running on A and B. At this point does judge allow the Handler of Dog B to start walking towards the dog in order to handle it when the five is up? How should judge handle this situation?

judge

go to A and score the tree then go to B

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I thought in UKC judge could give you permission to go leash your dog.

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The rules say the cast is to stay together at all times during hunt time. The only exception to that is the judge can give permission to handle a dog at a split tree when that tree closes. Until that dogs tree is closed, the cast must stay together. Also, the cast is to make an effort to be at dog A's tree when the five is up. That means handler B must walk away from his dog until his dogs tree is dead. That is how I understand the rule.

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jim

you are right jim

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Rules say,
11. (a) If at all possible be at the tree within five minutes. If handlers are so far from tree that it will take more than five minutes to get to tree, they are to start walking towards tree, but stopping periodically to let other handlers see if their dog is treeing.
11. (c) Where dogs split up, Judge will go with handler to the dog that tree first. If a split tree is obvious (Judge's decision), split tree will be assigned. Separate time must be kept on each tree unless all dogs are declared treed. Judge shall give Handler permission to handle dog on split tree unless cast is in the process of shining a tree. After split dog is handled, Handler to return to cast.

The way I see it, at this point, is that the judge should allow handler B to go handle dog and then return to Dog A tree to help score. Then cast would proceed to Dog B tree to score it. If this were to happen does the judge send a cast member with handler B to keep him honest. What if another handler doesn't want to walk away from their dog? Can that handler refuse?

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Originally posted by JiM
The rules say the cast is to stay together at all times during hunt time. The only exception to that is the judge can give permission to handle a dog at a split tree when that tree closes. Until that dogs tree is closed, the cast must stay together. Also, the cast is to make an effort to be at dog A's tree when the five is up. That means handler B must walk away from his dog until his dogs tree is dead. That is how I understand the rule.

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No, because the cast cannot be at two tree at the same time. The first dog treed has priority. When that tree s scored, the second tree is priority. And so on.

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Splitting up and goin in different directions, whether it's allowed or not usually hasn't turned out good from my experiences. It never a fails something always happens that needed voted on and everyone wasn't there to see it and it can turn a good hunt sour quick. If I'm judging I have whole cast go to handle first dog/s treed first, then if split dog is close We go handle it. If it's gona take any amount of time to get to 2nd dog treed, my vote is always score first tree then go. Sometimes 2nd,3rd & 4th dog may have to wait a little longer but IMO it's worth it to keep a handle on the cast, cause once it's gone,it's gone. Alittle common sense also goes a long, long ways in these situation and it's hard to explain common sense in a rule book.

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Dog A was treed first and only 300 yards away when Dog B is 700 yards in the opposite direction. Use common sense here fellows. Who wants to walk 700 yards and another 700 back to Dog A and walk another 700 back to B after scoring Dog A , remind you ,you still have 2 other dog out trailing. You will burn all the time up on one turn out.

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2nd that jkidd

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Ok so common sense says go to Dog A, score ,then go to Dog B. But rule says Judge "shall" allow handler to handle dog as long as cast is not shining tree.

Related to shall
Synonyms
have (to), must, ought (to), need, should
Related Words
will

What's UKC'so definition of "shall"?

trust me

you will want the cast to stay together.

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Originally posted by DFred
Ok so common sense says go to Dog A, score ,then go to Dog B. But rule says Judge "shall" allow handler to handle dog as long as cast is not shining tree.

Related to shall
Synonyms
have (to), must, ought (to), need, should
Related Words
will

What's UKC'so definition of "shall"?

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Originally posted by JiM
The rules say the cast is to stay together at all times during hunt time. The only exception to that is the judge can give permission to handle a dog at a split tree when that tree closes. Until that dogs tree is closed, the cast must stay together. Also, the cast is to make an effort to be at dog A's tree when the five is up. That means handler B must walk away from his dog until his dogs tree is dead. That is how I understand the rule.

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Punish someone? Where do you get that? He ask a question. I made a feeble attempt to answer it. I may well be wrong. I answered it as I understand the rule. Punish someone? Why would I?

John, have you read 11(C) since they revised the rule book?

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It's just me but if I am split and I got to go to anouther dogs tree first ( and I am going I am going to see if they got anything or not ) I wait till I have to tree the last minute and tree to leash lock them and make them lead to me.

The biggest problem i see with this scenario is if the cast gets split up what happens if dog c or d get treed with dog b? Does the handler(s) have to run and try to catch up with the handler of dog b so they can all go to the tree together? There are alot of things that could happen if the cast doesnt stay together in this certain situation. jmo

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All we have is the rules. Read 11(c). It answers this question in detail. If you can't comprehend or decipher it, you prolly shouldn't accept the card in the first place.

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Originally posted by JiM
All we have is the rules. Read 11(c). It answers this question in detail. If you can't comprehend or decipher it, you prolly shouldn't accept the card in the first place.

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Originally posted by jkidd1
Had a man in a cast one night tellin me almost word for word what you just put, that I should "Let the other man on his way so he can handle his dog 500yards away and get back to us", in the next breath he was the same one sayin " I think he's over there shining his tree, sounds like he's movin his dog" well we wasn't there so we don't know what happened. If a man insist on goin to his dog split, that's fine, but if I'm judging and that dog ain't close, we're all goin.

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rules

if your dog can't stay treed longer than 5 mins, then you need another dog.

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sportsmanship

there are four in a cast not one.

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Re: sportsmanship

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Originally posted by Daniel Fitzko
there are four in a cast not one.

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