UKC Forums (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/index.php)
- UKC Coonhounds (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=4)
-- New rule????? (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthread.php?threadid=928442868)

New rule?????

The last three hunts I have been to each time we got down to where we had roughly 20 minutes left to burn...one guy would call a little pow-wow and the cast decided {voted} to "walk the time out".....I did not go along with this and explained that this was cheating. At least I thought it was...but it seems that everyone does it now. I actually had guys look at me like I was nuts. Had several state that they always do this and was told by several that "whats the problem??? As long as we all agree, who cares???"
When I explained that first off, you have to hunt the full two hours. I got those back and forth looks like "what are you talking about, hunt the full two hours???" Secondly, maybe everyone in this cast does agree to do it, you are still cheating the rest of the cast in the hunt that did follow the rules and hunt the full time. I don't know if they were playing dumb, but they all just did not get that..."how are we cheating the other casts??? They aint here!!"
Is this really as common as it appears???? When we got back to the clubs these geniuses started discussing how ridiculous it was for "that guy" {me} to not go along with it!!! "We been doing that for years," the others at the club would say. I was even called a few less than stellar names by some of them.
Am I the one that is wrong and don't get it??? Is there a new rule I don't know about??? This almost sounds like something that could go on in another KC, kinda like when you win but don't even have to tree a coon. No coons, don't hunt the full time...still win???? Go figure. I mean, if you cant hunt the 2 hours just stay home.

Re: New rule?????

quote:

---

Originally posted by msinc
The last three hunts I have been to each time we got down to where we had roughly 20 minutes left to burn...one guy would call a little pow-wow and the cast decided {voted} to "walk the time out".....I did not go along with this and explained that this was cheating. At least I thought it was...but it seems that everyone does it now. I actually had guys look at me like I was nuts. Had several state that they always do this and was told by several that "whats the problem??? As long as we all agree, who cares???"
When I explained that first off, you have to hunt the full two hours. I got those back and forth looks like "what are you talking about, hunt the full two hours???" Secondly, maybe everyone in this cast does agree to do it, you are still cheating the rest of the cast in the hunt that did follow the rules and hunt the full time. I don't know if they were playing dumb, but they all just did not get that..."how are we cheating the other casts??? They aint here!!"
Is this really as common as it appears???? When we got back to the clubs these geniuses started discussing how ridiculous it was for "that guy" {me} to not go along with it!!! "We been doing that for years," the others at the club would say. I was even called a few less than stellar names by some of them.
Am I the one that is wrong and don't get it??? Is there a new rule I don't know about??? This almost sounds like something that could go on in another KC, kinda like when you win but don't even have to tree a coon. No coons, don't hunt the full time...still win???? Go figure. I mean, if you cant hunt the 2 hours just stay home.

---

__________________
Billy Beckham
618-214-0065

PKC CH, GRNITECH Beckham's Hillbilly Bones

I agree with you on hunting the full 2 hours.
I don't comp hunt allot but I've lost and won cast in the last 10 minutes.
That's just the way it works but that's part of the fun of it to me.
You never know what a dog Will do and the whole game can change in a blink.
A dog quitting a track our pulling up short on a slick can mean a cast win or hunt win for dogs your no hunting with for sure.

__________________
Livewire Kennels
NITECH CH Keith's Midnight Blue Cricket
( GRNITECH Utchman Blue Albert III x GRNITECH Kights Midnight Blue Magic)


Justin Keith
912-433-4360
Statesboro Ga

Re: Re: New rule?????

quote:

---

Originally posted by Billy Beckham
Why point the finger at somebody else seems like its going on in UKC?
Me personally as long as I have a mathematical chance to get back into we will cut loose if there are 3 minutes to go but if I'm beat I will withdraw so we can go home.

---

__________________
C.JONES

The rules do not allow walking off 20 minutes. When a cast agrees to that, it is no different than a cast agreeing to plus possums. If everyone agrees, what does it hurt?
If this was reported to the MOH, any honest MOH would disqualify that cast.

__________________
UKC Nite Champion Stylish Harry's Trixie - 2017 World Hunt Qualified - Owners - Sizemore/Martin
PKC CH/UKC GrNtCh Stylish Kate - 9/12/08 to 9/23/2016 R.I.P - Owners Sizemore/Martin
AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
AKC/UKC GrNtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jessi 12/21/04 to 1/21/2011 R.I.P.

Some of these guys ether don't understand the concept of cheating the other casts or they don't care, its also a reason I hate to withdraw especially if were down to two dogs, I've been asked to withdraw and I've been asked to delay calling my dog when I have little Chance of winning

I wonder how the outcome would of been in the UKC World Hunt if the last 20 to 30 minutes of the clock was run out,a set of rules is set fourth to be that,rules.

__________________
( White Light What A Night )

if you say somthing to the master of hounds he will scratch the whole cast........ if you have an honest moh ...it happened at autum oaks .. more then once

__________________
Rolling Thunder Walkers 330.204.8844 A DOG IS A DOG YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN U TURN THEM LOOSE

So some folks think if you tree 3 coons in the first hour and have 675 points, you can lead your dog around the woods for the next hour?

Jake just won the truck in Lula Mississippi in the last minute of the hunt. Go read the play by play. I'm not saying it's not done in either registry but I'd be casting my dog out there. I'd only withdraw if there was no chance of winning.

Even if a dog is leading a cast by 1000 pts. who is to say that it wouldn't get itself scratch in the last minute or take minus points that would affect where it places in the hunt against other casts. I have been on casts that have walked out the last few minutes but did not agree or like doing it. Usually it's been on a competive cast and I've been in the running or leading until the end.

__________________
What comes around goes around!

Thanks for all the posts guys, I knew better, but when it happens too often I was starting to think it was me!!!! It's one thing to try and pull a fast one, but when you try it and get called out for it and then look at the man like he has two heads...sad that it can come to this.
I will ask them about plus points for possums too next time!!!

I've never heard of anyone walking out 20 mins. I have heard of guys walking out the last 15 mins.

I think they get that because it use to say something about keeping a dog on leash walking from hunting spot to hunt spot IF you used 15 mins to get to the new ground.

__________________
Swampmusic Kennel
Remembering Our Past......
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch.Dohoney's Lobo
Ch.Swampmusic Lil Bit Sassy
Ch.Swampmusic Misty Shadow
Gr.Ch.Swampmusic Boone
Gr.Ch.Swampmusic Pride
But Looking To The Future...

Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch.Swampmusic Big Hoss




Dennis Robinson
Cell 540-295-3892

I mean 20 min is a little extreme. Dern.

__________________
Michael Ghorley

quote:

---

Originally posted by GA DAWG
I mean 20 min is a little extreme. Dern.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by novicane65
Jake just won the truck in Lula Mississippi in the last minute of the hunt. Go read the play by play. I'm not saying it's not done in either registry but I'd be casting my dog out there. I'd only withdraw if there was no chance of winning.

---

__________________
YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD !

quote:

---

Originally posted by msinc
You're a Georgia Wildman Mike!!!!!!! That's funny right there!!!!

---

__________________
Michael Ghorley

Seriously in 20 minutes that could possibly be 2-3 slick trees. That could take your plus score to minus in a hurry. I'd be upset with everyone at the club for treating me that way. I most likely wouldn't support the club anymore. Even if it meant me driving an hour to a different club.

walk out time

I was on a cast once .couldn't hear our dogs so we went the way we last heard them.i9 ask for a time out everyone in the cast thought I lost my mind judge says no.at this time we got 30 mins to hunt.we walk till we hear the dogs we have burned up 10 minutes.now everyone hears dog s and they aRE treed .we spilt tree points.we start to dogs they are over 5 minutes away.so again I ask for a time out again judge says no.time runs out .dog s are treed 3 on 1 tree and 1 split treed.cast winner would have changed .we get back to club .this club had a moh.i asked the ?if I was right or wrong for asking for a time out.he said I was not and scatched the cast.i have not been back

__________________
the color won, t tree a coon but its true i like blue

Just wondering if you had some delays like having to wait and hour to regroup the cast or whatever and by hunting the last Twenty minutes means there is no way you could make it back for the deadline what would you do if you were the cast winner with a good score or if we're a member of the cast but didn't win ?

__________________
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. ~~ Thomas Jefferson

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have"

Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
Thomas Jefferson

And here is another ? A dog are dogs are struck up high go out of hearing but there is a thirty minute walk to get to the top so you can here em when do you start the time on the track and when you get to the top there all treed to you let the handlers call em or wait and listen to make sure all are treed and split what's treed or if someone tree's there dog as your going up and you as the judge can't here the dog to you start the 2 or wait till ya get on top to were ya can here ?

__________________
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. ~~ Thomas Jefferson

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have"

Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
Thomas Jefferson

quote:

---

Originally posted by wbond
And here is another ? A dog are dogs are struck up high go out of hearing but there is a thirty minute walk to get to the top so you can here em when do you start the time on the track and when you get to the top there all treed to you let the handlers call em or wait and listen to make sure all are treed and split what's treed or if someone tree's there dog as your going up and you as the judge can't here the dog to you start the 2 or wait till ya get on top to were ya can here ?

---

__________________
C.JONES

Re: walk out time

quote:

---

Originally posted by osagebl
I was on a cast once .couldn't hear our dogs so we went the way we last heard them.i9 ask for a time out everyone in the cast thought I lost my mind judge says no.at this time we got 30 mins to hunt.we walk till we hear the dogs we have burned up 10 minutes.now everyone hears dog s and they aRE treed .we spilt tree points.we start to dogs they are over 5 minutes away.so again I ask for a time out again judge says no.time runs out .dog s are treed 3 on 1 tree and 1 split treed.cast winner would have changed .we get back to club .this club had a moh.i asked the ?if I was right or wrong for asking for a time out.he said I was not and scatched the cast.i have not been back

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by CHEWBACH
you better cut that 30 min walk down to 8 because it starts when you strike! and you cant hear dogs lol don't stop or start strike time when you feel its convenient. you all take minus. than you can stop time! call interference because your dogs went where no man has walked!!lol

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by wbond
Just wondering if you had some delays like having to wait and hour to regroup the cast or whatever and by hunting the last Twenty minutes means there is no way you could make it back for the deadline what would you do if you were the cast winner with a good score or if we're a member of the cast but didn't win ?

---