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In a slump

I have a 12 month old walker pup that has went downhill on me. When she was around 11 months old she was doin the best. Hunting hard and showing a lot of promise. Now not so much. She's been slick treeing quite a bit here lately. I've just been hunting her by herself. I don't think she knows what to do with a cold track because about every coon she has treed has been hot. She has been working hard she just isn't getting any reward from it and it's taking it's toll. She used to hit the woods hard when I cut her now she's wanting to hang around a few minutes. I've laid her up for a couple days at a time didn't show any improvement. The only thing I know to do with her is put her in the woods every night and see if she improves. Any advice is appreciated. I figure I'm going to have to start switching her some on slick trees to discourage her a little bit but I'd like to get her under a coon again and maybe things will start clicking for her.

My 2 cents

The span of time your talking about is very short from being on fire to being in a slump. Pay attention to moon phases and the solunar tables. Try to hunt her as close to the major period as possible. I went through this with my son's redbone male that just turned three. He still has his nights but overall he is clicking for us now. But dogs go through these rough spells and its mainly when the coons are not moving to well. Good luck with her... By the way she is only12 months old. Just the fact that she is doing it on her own I think is great...

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I have a 11 month old that has been doin it by himself sense 7 months real accurate, but he's been struggling for a few weeks..treed one den last night, next 2 drops didn't even get a bark and he covered some ground..I think coon are not moving here or they are moving late...don't knw

It's winter time.

Easy coon are getting caught out.

Frost is on the ground tracks are tougher.

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the first thing you have to look at is she is just 1 year old and still a pup and if she started early a lot of times the pup starts coming back out of them at this point , you are at the make or break point on her and the best thing you can do is keep her in coon and hunt her hard and scold her on the slicks and as for the cold trailing she is going to have to figure out the ones she can get going and the ones to leave alone on her own because this time of year she is going to see plenty of them if she is out in the woods hunting , one more thing to to look at is thin coon will leave and make the coldest track so the less coon you have her in the better the chance she will be fooling with cold tracks that is why you need her in heavy coon to keep her on a hot track ..

Lay her up for a month or better. When pups start treeing they are usually accurate because they don't know how to slick tree. If one starts developing bad habits lay them up and let them forget them. I bet if you lay her up for a month she won't stand at your feet when you turn her loose. We have breed our dogs to take chances on trees rather than coming back. People usually cull the wild pup that will run junk before they slick tree. I wish I had a wild pup that was not enuff tree dog to miss but was getting treed every now and then and had the meat.

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Originally posted by N Williams
Lay her up for a month or better. When pups start treeing they are usually accurate because they don't know how to slick tree. If one starts developing bad habits lay them up and let them forget them. I bet if you lay her up for a month she won't stand at your feet when you turn her loose. We have breed our dogs to take chances on trees rather than coming back. People usually cull the wild pup that will run junk before they slick tree. I wish I had a wild pup that was not enuff tree dog to miss but was getting treed every now and then and had the meat.

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Aim small miss small

I have been using the calendar on my garmin some. It was actually excellent hunting when she was doing good. It's hard for me to lay her up long, she's the only coon Hound I have right now and I love getting out. What about putting her with another older dog, or should I just keep her alone?

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If you put her with a dog! Make sure its all Coon dog and not a piece crap! one that will tree coon all around her in front and behind her underneath and on top her! if no one has that kind wait until coon start moving!! hunt her alone and you will end up with a nice hound. good luck! jmo

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i dont know about anywhere else, but we hunt this one spot where a guy has a deer feeder with corn, so we set a trail cam up and weve got hundreds of pictures of coon, but there all moving between 2-5 am every night. idk if it will play a toll on ur pup or not. catch a few Z's and get up at like 2 and go. Weve treed alot of coon real early in the morning but theres always a coon to be treed. lol

worst thing you can do is keep setting a young dog up for failure. If the coon are not moving and a young dog starts grabbing a lot of den trees, I quit hunting them.

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PUPS GOING INTO A SLUMP

I CAN REMEMBER MR DALE BRANDENBURG A WELL KNOWN PLOTT MAN THAT HAD A COLUMN IN THE AMERICAN COONER,YEARS BACK THAT DID A STUDY ON HIS HOUNDS PERFORMANCE,HE KEPT TRACK OF THE TEMP, BAROMETER, WIND DIRECTION, ALL THE DIFFERENT WEATHER RELATED THINGS .AND I CAN REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT CONDITIONS IN JANUARY AND FEBUARY ARE THE WORST TIME OF YEAR FOR RUNNING AND TREEING COONS ,HE SAID HIS DOGS MESSED UP MORE IN THESE 2 MONTHS THAN ANY OTHER TIME OF THE YEAR,IT WAS TOUGH ON AND OLDER FINSHED COON TREE'ER LET ALONE TRYING TO TRAIN PUPS HE ALSO SAID IT DID A YOUNG DOG MORE HARM HUNTIN THEM VERY MUCH THAT TIME OF YEAR. A LITTLE LESS HUNTING IF THERE DOIN GOOD AND COME SPRING POUR IT ON THEM AND THEY WILL MAKE BETTER DOGS IN THE END ....I WISH I COULD FIND THAT AMERICAN COONER IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.IVE NOTICED MY SELF EVERY YEAR ABOUT JAN OR FEB MY HOUNDS DONT LOOK SO GOOD ALOT OF NIGHTS WHAT ABOUT YOURS ? HAVE A BLESSED ONE ,,,FROM THE RIVERBOTTOM,,,RON

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Originally posted by Gdcwalker45
I have been using the calendar on my garmin some. It was actually excellent hunting when she was doing good. It's hard for me to lay her up long, she's the only coon Hound I have right now and I love getting out. What about putting her with another older dog, or should I just keep her alone?

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Originally posted by Gdcwalker45
I have a 12 month old walker pup that has went downhill on me. When she was around 11 months old she was doin the best. Hunting hard and showing a lot of promise. Now not so much. She's been slick treeing quite a bit here lately. I've just been hunting her by herself. I don't think she knows what to do with a cold track because about every coon she has treed has been hot. She has been working hard she just isn't getting any reward from it and it's taking it's toll. She used to hit the woods hard when I cut her now she's wanting to hang around a few minutes. I've laid her up for a couple days at a time didn't show any improvement. The only thing I know to do with her is put her in the woods every night and see if she improves. Any advice is appreciated. I figure I'm going to have to start switching her some on slick trees to discourage her a little bit but I'd like to get her under a coon again and maybe things will start clicking for her.

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I can't give up one her! I've got too much invested in coon hunting to give up. It seems like the general consensus is to lay her up a while and let her forget or be a better time to tree a coon. Here in Kentucky the last few weeks have been pretty nice for coons it has been unseasonably warm but week before last we did get a lot of rain. It seems like my problem started when she started running trash and I adjusted her back to coons. But she has not treed one since other than a few dens she has treed on. I'm really considering laying her up a little while and seeing how that works. She hasn't been having any trouble tracking it doesn't seem like. Most of the time she is really pushing a track when she opens up. Thanks for the advice everyone!

It seems like my problem started when she started running trash and I adjusted her back to coons.

that was a important piece of the puzzle you left out of the original post ..

you may want to lay her up because if she is running trash and slick treeing both she is having trouble figuring out tracks and scent and if the coon are thin it is worse on them ..

I've got her broke from trash she treed tonight in a den off a track from my feeder. I think I'm gonna lay her up until I catch a few coons and I'll turn it loose up in a holler let the track age a little and cut her loose at the mouth and let her find it. I thought she was past the point of needing one turned loose. What's your opinions on that good idea or bad? Lol

To my knowledge she is broke from deer. There are very few foxes and other game around here. I think she has offered to track a rabbit once but the tracks she's running couldn't be rabbits. She's never had much for a possum she treed one when she was young and caught another on the ground a few nights ago but that's about it.

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Sounds like a typical young dog to me. The ones that are giving effort do a lot of good young because they haven't learned the bad. Then the bad starts to creep in and the handler has to control the situation. Many ways to do that and you got several ideas posted already.

When you get a young one you never know what type of tracking and treeing ability the dog will have. Once the dog progresses you start to see that unfold. You may like or not like what you see, but it paints a picture of the type of dog you have and gives you a blueprint on what you have to work on.
Sometimes you have success and sometimes you don't You will see changes for the next year and a half with her.

Keep you light charged and the boots on the dryer!

Thanks for the responses. I'm going to try my best to get her on some soy coons. If that don't work out quick I'm going to lay her up but it's supposed to be warm and rainy this weekend so I'm goin to see what she can do.

Thanks for the responses. I'm going to try my best to get her on some soy coons. If that don't work out quick I'm going to lay her up but it's supposed to be warm and rainy this weekend so I'm goin to see what she can do.

Has she had a heat cycle yet? My female acts crazy as he// about a week or so before she comes in. After she goes out Its back to normal.

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Yea right after her first heat cycle is when she started turning on. I've let her get lost somewhere on the way. Just gonna have to get her back on track.

When there treeing coons keep letting them nt in nt out. When they don't put em up let the fire build back up for a bit maybe u can dodge the slump. From my experience if hunted to much in failure. They picked up nasty habits that they carried to the bitter end. I'm not an expert yet lol but got 5 active they have been hunting good for me lately. None are over hunted that way. May not have the best dog but they will certainly tree a coon if there on my leash. I've made excuses before trying to explain how or why my dog is messing up. The fact of the matter is treeing a coon is not that hard if dog is fired up about it. In my opinion a open mouth trailing dog will suffer worse. The silent go on in there ones won't be in a slump.

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