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Gascon Hounds

What's everyone thoughts on Gascon Hounds pro's and con's to common Bluetick. The big Majestic dogs seem to look softly built often can they handle rigorous hunting. Say compared too Jet Dogs.

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ya I had one once,they cant keep up with the other dogs and and straddle their tracks..take forever to tree and mostly dens because they don't close the gap between them and the coon.Most of them are Inbred dogs.Most of those guy that hunt them just talk about pedigrees and never hunt.Maybe that's why they never look muscled out.I tried to buy one once and the guy asked me if I had other blueticks around and when I said yes he woulnt sell one to me.I think they are like a cult with a different way of thinking about their type of bluetick

I have pups out of a mom who is half gascon, her mom wasn't put through the necessary steps to be labeled gascon. She's a big muscular dog that has pups out of my Boomer male. They should be big hounds with a lot of brains and good hunt. They look to get treed under a coon not just to chase stuff in the woods then start barking up a tree.

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Thanks fore the reply's both on Board and personal message. Was made aware of Cherry eye Gut problem and Hip problem. That strangely sound like Western dog problems.

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there is as much variation within the gascon dogs as in the standard blue dogs. some have good track speed others don't. some are healthy, some aren't. depends where you go to get one, again same as standard blues. plenty of folks breeding junk and a few breed for ability. just like standard blues you have to know what suits you and shop around. talk to driftwoodblue on here, he's had them since 1959.

questions.

shoot me a message and I will be glad to answer.

certainly there are several to avoid.

Many Thanks

Thanks Mr JHA and Driftwood. Is breeding more pure and untainted when not working and worrying on Titles before breedings occur. Title doesn't seem to make or brake stock like Tri-Colors.

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my honest opinion is that there is really good and bad breeding irregardless of the quest for titles. the big blues have gotten quite popular as of late and there aren't many folks breeding them so a lot of folks have jumped in and they aren't really what I would look for in a breeder.

Clowns

in answer to the question. be very leery of clowns that profess to be the only source of "Gascon"
and as Jeff pointed out they found that they can peddle big dogs as "Gascons" that are lacking a Bit in several traits.

a couple in mind think they have the only ones available. and delete posts of others on the "Facebook" site!

they claim that you must breed Gascons to Gascons.. well my friends, they have bred so close that the stock there is so tightly bred that one sees a lot of loss of maternal instinct,a good bit of extreme nervous traits and other genetic defects. plus having rather poor type.

Basically the
Gascon " is not a breed-- it is made up of some strains of the old lines of the Bluetick foundation stock They are Bluetick strains.

a few of the strains there were the O.O. Grant stock, the Old line Sugar Creek stock bred by Harry O Smith. --- That was Before 1964
some very good old stock from Smokey River Sampson--- long before Diamond Jim---some of the older Lee Brother stock, some of the Rex Moyle hounds that got registered by Bill Harshman. a few of the Jocassee Valley stock, and also some of the older Vaughn stock.
also the lines do include some of the Silver Mist stock

By watching what you breed to and HUNTING them one can access just what the outcome will be

JHA (Jeff) has a hound called Lee that is not polluted with a lot of that stuff and is producing hounds that hunt and are not slow as molasses!-- he does not breed a lot.

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reading on I see maybe I had a junk gascon,but when I follow the pictures on abgha web site,I notice that all the dogs are soft and it doesn't look like the guys are in shape enough to hunt the dogs...I conclude the percentage of gascons don't get hunted enough and so breeding dogs that aren't proven in the field,make me wonder...Ill stick to hammer bred dogs as Dave Dean has been around longer than the gascon guys with proven results

I wouldn't use a dozen or so pics from a website to judge an entire group of dogs. I see plenty of hounds in bloodlines that look "soft". These dogs certainly aren't soft.

Wowee there be Mountain of dog. See Photo water marked 1998 is any its offspring what raising yet. No doubt hundred# or more animal. They get so big back legs usually some cow-hocked any look hare to long.? They stay tree as rule with not tying up? Great Photos of details..

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my ol hounds are not "Gascon Registered" they will meet and excede the so called standards that some pay no attention too. I was very active in that association until 2006.
read my previous post.
here is a couple of pictures of one of my hounds. in the one picture you will note that there is no lead on him tying him to the tree.. If you want to clear all doubt about staying treed bring your light and boots and I will show him.leave your dog fighters at home.
will not expose him to that stuff

Gascon

Ive done some research and after talking to the president or ex president that John Roberts is the man that understand the most about these type of dogs .Hes not only hunts a lot ,but breeds according to ability as well as is committed to the Gascon Hound legacy and mostly having the pedigrees showing the dogs meet the Gascon ass. breed stand and are registered Gascons...Both ways top abilitiy and paper work showing the Job is true and true.Im going to try to get a dog from him...Proven Breeder and upmost integrity...Im not sure the other guys are doing a good job at both and the pictures prove that,because its abvious those dogs have no muscle diffinition and that tells me they are not hunted and just bred to.They need to get to the woods instead of just breeding papers to papers...Get off the couch......

Re: Gascon

I know you are not referring to the two gentleman that posted pics in this thread! If you are you are grossly mistaken! Driftwoodblue has been hunting these dogs for 50+ years and he doesn't do it from the couch.
I personally know JHA and he is the hardest hunting son of a gun I know! He hunts year around and in all kinds of conditions. I have known him for years and recall 1 maybe 2 litters he has raised. If he tells you something about a dog you can take it to the bank! JHA is also one of the smartest guys I know! You would do well to listen to what ever he has to say! Hell, I am not even sure he has a couch but if he does he ain't using it!!!

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Originally posted by ZZ TOP DOGS
Ive done some research and after talking to the president or ex president that John Roberts is the man that understand the most about these type of dogs .Hes not only hunts a lot ,but breeds according to ability as well as is committed to the Gascon Hound legacy and mostly having the pedigrees showing the dogs meet the Gascon ass. breed stand and are registered Gascons...Both ways top abilitiy and paper work showing the Job is true and true.Im going to try to get a dog from him...Proven Breeder and upmost integrity...Im not sure the other guys are doing a good job at both and the pictures prove that,because its abvious those dogs have no muscle diffinition and that tells me they are not hunted and just bred to.They need to get to the woods instead of just breeding papers to papers...Get off the couch......

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Thanks again Photos and information. Gonna keep looking around the world of slower going Pleasure Hounds. Be keeping these type in mind. Not sure where breeder animosity stands but some personal messages received contradictory to what hound men posted on open board. Cheers to all.

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the best advice I can give and this applies to any breed, is to go hunt a man's dogs before you get a pup. see that the parent(s) suit you before buying their offspring.

My boys harping on me

My Crew mainly Tri color and English theys laughing at my thinking of different dog for changes of pace. They ask and I couldn't answer. Is Gascon superior to dogs we hunting? Why ain't they common in hunts or major events winner?

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Question for JHA and Driftwood, Have either of you hunted with a true French born Bleu De Gascogne? Just curious. I heard of a couple that were imported about 20 years ago. And they were very grouchy. But I figured I'd ask.

Gran Bleu de Gascon.

there were 2 pure Gran Bleu's imported in 1975.
Spartan and Maringo
never got to hunt with one of those but did see Maringo when he was at Mark Fattig's in Nebraska. yes I hunted with a few 1/2 and 1/4 and was not impressed with them.also hunted with a 3/8 Gran Blue .

until I suckered into getting a part blood could not get anyone to volunteer to take me with them. THEN I had no trouble finding folks who had some. the one I had did not do worth a hoot and I gave her to a fellow who put her on a serum truck!!!!

yes the males did tend to have attitude problems. and the 3/8 that I seen in Montana had bad hind legs and in about 350-400 yards was all done. broke down.
MOST ALL of those I seen has very poor hind legs--- there was 2 that I recall that were structured-good -- one was a 1/2 blood owned by Guy Tripplett'. some that got sent to Arizona were only about 75 lbs for males.

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My Crew mainly Tri color and English theys laughing at my thinking of different dog for changes of pace. They ask and I couldn't answer. Is Gascon superior to dogs we hunting? Why ain't they common in hunts or major events winner?

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Very good. You ever think UKC don't know how to measure dogs with the way hunts are put on? Maybe should be different classes similar to stock car racing?

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I think different hunters prize a different type dog. I suspect it was like that 100 years ago. my personal philosophy is to find the type of dog I like. what ukc does is irrelevant. I think the hunt rules are about as good as can be expected but anyone that's hunted the hunts knows what a slick handler can do. I've been there and done that. it's just not my thing now.

Well said Driftwoodblue & jha
I've always preferred what most call an old fashion type or " gascon " style. I've had slower ones & fast track pushers. The things I've found common with the bigger blues is accuracy & ability to pick up a colder track. Had a male that weighed 100lbs and wasnt soft at all. Would hunt as long as you wanted in any condition. Won the Mississippi BBCHA 2013 state championship both king of hunt & king of show with him. On the flip side of that I've had what I consider average also. But even the ones I consider average could scrouge up a track when others couldn't and was more accurate.