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Posted by Randall Allman on 12-23-2015 01:00 AM:

mt. feist and treeing feist

just got a pair of feist puppies one is reg. as a mt. feist and one reg. as treeing feist . are they one and the same can you cross the two and register the pups . I am new to the feist and their paper work. thanks for any info.

Posted by AllenR on 12-23-2015 03:36 AM:

not with ukc

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Posted by Cripple Creek 1 on 12-23-2015 03:29 PM:

They are the same Randall. Dont worry about all that registering mess. Just register with nkc or wtda. Its not complicated, just people have made it that way. People are always tring to re-invent the wheel, if you know what I mean.

Posted by AllenR on 12-23-2015 06:20 PM:

Randall you can register them NKC but NKC does see them as two separate breeds as well, but will register them... and they have been seen as two separate breed for many years by NKC and others some just seem to forget that! and they think people are trying to event something that was here even before them..

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Posted by SHU on 12-23-2015 07:05 PM:

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Originally posted by Cripple Creek 1
They are the same Randall. Dont worry about all that registering mess. Just register with nkc or wtda. Its not complicated, just people have made it that way. People are always tring to re-invent the wheel, if you know what I mean.

Cripple Creek...., you are correct about one thing...., It is not complicated..., however I would have to respectfully disagree that there is not a difference. If the UKC and the NKC which are registries, declare that they are indeed different and have set forth the breed standards that differentiate between the two breeds, then it is apparent that they are not the same....., similar..., but not the same.

The problem continually arises that people are misinformed due to the fact that some people take it upon themselves to state their opinion rather than facts.
I would advise you and the original poster to just search this very site for the breed standards ..., they will specifically show the difference between the two.

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Posted by moonshine man on 12-23-2015 09:57 PM:

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Originally posted by SHU
If the UKC and the NKC which are registries, declare that they are indeed different and have set forth the breed standards that differentiate between the two breeds, then it is apparent that they are not the same....., similar..., but not the same.

The problem continually arises that people are misinformed due to the fact that some people take it upon themselves to state their opinion rather than facts.
I would advise you and the original poster to just search this very site for the breed standards ..., they will specifically show the difference between the two.

Are you a firm believer in what you just typed, if you are you must of not researched it to what it is and just to what you have read,a kennel club may set breed standards but what good does that do when you have feist that are the same blood being registered both ways,where is the difference in these two,and all the ones that have everything in the world bred in them and look like Rin- Tin- Tin and are registered as mountain feist,i guess they met breed standards dont you,i will say they are some feist breeders that has kept it as true as you can through the years but as for the kennel clubs as long as they get their money you can bring in a prick eared donkey and call it boy george for all they care.

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Posted by AllenR on 12-23-2015 10:30 PM:

I agree that just the KC setting standards doesn't cut it, but breeders need to do their part as well... But with out standards their is no base line... And a KC is a businesses and should profit or they wouldn't be a very good business if they didn't. All breeds have standards and until someone creates a more stringent standard and registration practice like ukc has done people will never know what they are really getting, the statement just register NKC or WTDA speaks volumes! It says they don't care and only want your $$$ and if I was one of them organizations I would one either change my practices so the public doesn't feel that way, or correct people's comments that make them statements or just be a hunt club and say bring a dog and we will register people because breed doesn't matter. but a true KC should care about correct registration... And hunters should too

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Posted by skeeterhawk7 on 12-24-2015 02:54 AM:

Correct me if I wrong but isn't the Treeing Feist half Cur up close ? And the Mountain Feist pretty much kinda line breed to certain standards ? I like to understand this myself ?

Posted by AllenR on 12-24-2015 04:31 AM:

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Originally posted by skeeterhawk7
Correct me if I wrong but isn't the Treeing Feist half Cur up close ? And the Mountain Feist pretty much kinda line breed to certain standards ? I like to understand this myself ?

I would agree with that for the most part. But I'm slightly bias lol

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Posted by moleman on 12-24-2015 04:43 AM:

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Originally posted by skeeterhawk7
Correct me if I wrong but isn't the Treeing Feist half Cur up close ? And the Mountain Feist pretty much kinda line breed to certain standards ? I like to understand this myself ?

It has a lot to do with who you ask and where you are when you ask it, if you go by breed standards a Treeing Feist can be any kind of dog as long as it meets height and weight requirements, it can be a Cur that weighs 28 lbs, a Mountain Feist is more of a dog that has been kept in check by that i mean bred back to Mountain Feist type dogs it does not have anything to do with line breeding even though most of them are and the reason you see it the breeder tries to keep the line he likes going.
They are people that say they are all the same dog a mixed up mutt and you have the other side that say the Mountain Feist is a tight bred line of dogs a more or less a breed of there own, both sides are to divided on how they see the Feist and how they are bred as far as outside blood that is why i do not think it will ever be a breed just a type of dog.

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Posted by oldman on 12-26-2015 12:28 AM:

the way it was , when nkc first reg mtn fiest.they were supposed to be of mtn feist bloodlines & nothing else.then folks started crossing feist with other bloodlines & calling the crosses mtn feist.,even when breeding to other than tree dog stock. finally nkc said they could be reg. as treeing feist. whatever the crosses were both had to be of tree dog stock. fiest & curs, or hound as long as both sides would tree.that's it in a nut shell.there are fiest that are full bloodied feist.with 6 or more gen feist bloodlines.
just remember they all started from something.even the hounds .

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Posted by moodyhound on 01-01-2016 03:23 AM:

Re: mt. feist and treeing feist

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randall Allman
just got a pair of feist puppies one is reg. as a mt. feist and one reg. as treeing feist . are they one and the same can you cross the two and register the pups . I am new to the feist and their paper work. thanks for any info. [/QUOT

UKC considers them to be two different breeds, but if you cross them, you can still register the pups as Treeing Feist's, just not Mountain Feist's.

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Posted by Wade B. on 01-01-2016 05:23 AM:

let me clear this up for everyone..

All feist are treeing.. Usually before 12 months of age in fact. Now geographically some are from the mountains and some are from the hollers depending on where you live. Mine are from the hollers..

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