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Posted by Sounder1028 on 10-29-2015 03:50 PM:

Tips on how to get a pup to tree

I have a 6 month old wipeout pup she will burn a track up alone or with another dog. She just doesn't tree. She will track and tree a hide (because she can see a hide) but in the woods she doesn't know to tree, while the other dogs are treeing she's still running around. I've tied her to the tree still nothing.. Yes I know she is still very young and most aren't in the woods this young but I start mine young. I've never had problems with getting a pup to tree. I've heard wipeout dogs are great trackers but lack in treeing. Any tips on what to do as she gets older?

Posted by squirreldogs on 10-29-2015 04:14 PM:

Same problem

I had the same problem with a walker dog I had she had the nose but didnt want to tree unless she could see it the way i fixed the problem I started trapping some caged coons and letting her see them go up the tree but once they got up she couldnt she the coon forgot to mention I would wait till it got dark and I would tie her and get her exited enough to bark then when she would start treeing I would pet her up real good and shoot the coon out after about three coons she had it figured out.Also she was 10 months old when I was doing this 6 months old is a little two small to be letting them fight the coon alone so you may just want to work her on the tree and not shoot them out to her unless you have another dog to help her a little.

Posted by RLenhart on 10-29-2015 05:08 PM:

Re: Tips on how to get a pup to tree

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Originally posted by Sounder1028
I have a 6 month old wipeout pup she will burn a track up alone or with another dog. She just doesn't tree. She will track and tree a hide (because she can see a hide) but in the woods she doesn't know to tree, while the other dogs are treeing she's still running around. I've tied her to the tree still nothing.. Yes I know she is still very young and most aren't in the woods this young but I start mine young. I've never had problems with getting a pup to tree. I've heard wipeout dogs are great trackers but lack in treeing. Any tips on what to do as she gets older?

I have a female right now that's about 13 -14 months old that has been running track for a while now but WOULD NOT tree " not even a caged coon". I was really starting to think she may not work out, I just left her keep tagging along with my best dog. About three weeks ago I managed to shake one out (with the dogs tied back) and left her re-tree it. She didn't tree much that night, just kind of got up on the tree and wimpered. I petted her up real good for the little bit she did do and now it's been steady progress every time I take her out, she is opening up and treeing now plus when I'm leading her away from the tree she's all exited and keeps checking trees, which tells me the switch finally flipped for her. So hang in there, they're not all treein machines at 8-9 months old IMO.

Posted by POTOMAC on 10-29-2015 05:15 PM:

The wipeout generally don't starting to tree until later in life if they start then!!!! The bottom line is you can take some tree out but your not putting it in if its not there !!, hunt the pup and if she has it she will start treeing if she don't she won't !! There isn't any tricks to put something there that isn't !!but I would say in time she will start!!!

Posted by qchounds on 10-29-2015 06:42 PM:

Here is my tip- Let the pup grow up a few more months! Some dogs start really early, but most need some time to grow up and mature first.

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Posted by N Williams on 10-29-2015 07:51 PM:

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Originally posted by POTOMAC
The wipeout generally don't starting to tree until later in life if they start then!!!! The bottom line is you can take some tree out but your not putting it in if its not there !!, hunt the pup and if she has it she will start treeing if she don't she won't !! There isn't any tricks to put something there that isn't !!but I would say in time she will start!!!

Yep. When I heard wouldn't tree and then wipeout in your first sentence there you go. I've got a pup know out of awesome and my dot female that didn't really start treeing until 13 months old. He started treeing a month ago and I'm taking him by himself and catching coons every night with him. I knew it was in is genes to do it so I let it come natural. Your concern is the EXACT reason we have to much tree dog in our hounds today. If your going to breed for the public they better tree at 6 months. I talk to the man that started that line fairly often. I can promise you he would not be concerned at all as to what your pup is doing. Alot of them were not enuff tree dog to miss. I'm afraid you you want her to be a gr nite in 5 months from now you need to get rid of her. Now if I was wanting one with a chance to be a big winner someday I would get a good wipout chair and wait a while.

Posted by N Williams on 10-29-2015 08:28 PM:

DO NOT show her any hides and let her tree on sight. I'm telling you just keep her in the woods. That showing them hides and caged coon up trees is not a good thing. If I had her if she has not started treeing by 14-15 months then I might would make some sent drags but DO NOT let her tree by sight. Just trying to help.

Posted by buck brush on 10-29-2015 08:39 PM:

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Originally posted by POTOMAC
The wipeout generally don't starting to tree until later in life if they start then!!!! The bottom line is you can take some tree out but your not putting it in if its not there !!, hunt the pup and if she has it she will start treeing if she don't she won't !! There isn't any tricks to put something there that isn't !!but I would say in time she will start!!!

I do not know where you got your information about Wipe out dogs but the ones we hunt and the ones that are wining in the big hunts seem to tree.

Sounder give her some time to grow up from what I have seen from the Wipe out dogs when the switch goes off in there head they will be instant coon dogs. have you ever laid her a drag at night with a coon that you have shot out try that do not let her see it in the tree see if she finds the tree and trees on it.

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Posted by Sounder1028 on 10-29-2015 08:54 PM:

? The pup was shown three hides never showed her a caged coon so not sure where u got that from? I asked for advice that's all

Posted by CHEWBACH on 10-29-2015 09:06 PM:

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buddy I hunt a lot of young dogs! just keep taking her to the woods alone. when that natural ability kicks in she will let you know. as far as getting one to treeing its all up to what is in the pup. should not have to use hides or what ever else. not easy to take a pup and train it. lot of walking.. good luck! jmo

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Posted by Sounder1028 on 10-29-2015 09:07 PM:

As I stated she is very young I do not expect this dog to be doing anything "spectacular" right now I was asking mainly because of the wipeout bloodline. I've seen wipeout dogs not tree till 2 years old so was wondering deri g if there were any tips to help her

Posted by shadinc on 10-29-2015 09:15 PM:

You stated, you like to start them young. Then you say you know Wipeout pups don't tree until they're older. Why in the world did you get a Wipeout pup?

Posted by Sounder1028 on 10-29-2015 09:22 PM:

First one I've owned. Wanted to try one out.

Posted by Sounder1028 on 10-29-2015 09:23 PM:

Whether she trees now or a year from now not co cerened about that. And when I said I start them young I never said I expect them to be world beaters. I just like to put them in the woods young

Posted by POTOMAC on 10-29-2015 09:33 PM:

I get my information from first hand account in thin coon !!!!! They might tree them up there where there is plenty of coon but in thin coon I haven't seen but one thatstartedtreeing at6 months old and the wasnt the norm hell I have one now that's as good as any track dog sucking air and she isn't 100% locking on every tree yet !! Oh she just turned 3 so there you go !!!! None are the same but a lot f wipeout dogs gets sold to young as people expecting them to be like there's too the tree monsters !!!!!! The originator of the wipeout line has jumped outta the truck more then one night trying to get to one before they leave the tree!!!!😳

Posted by GA DAWG on 10-29-2015 09:38 PM:

I got one that's 2 Ive hunted with lots. Hes as fast as any Ive ever saw. He want tree either unless you count the bear that night. Id sale him

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Posted by Sounder1028 on 10-29-2015 09:50 PM:

I didn't make this post expecting to get a miracle and my dog be treeing tomorrow lol. And with Mr Bruce's comment that all she's been learning is to jack the tree. She is a pup and she sees the hide. If you have trained pups you'll k ow they get excited. I'm no rookie in this sport. So I know what I'm doing. It's always good to ask for other opinions. I learn new things everyday. I am also no competition. Hunter so if she jacks around some it doesn't hurt my feelings. I go to the woods and have a good night. I'm not about bragging rights and money. I do it for fun. I will continue hunting the pup. I hunt 4 nights a week so if its in her she will make it. If she doesn't by the time I think she should be doing g better she will be gone. Thanks to the guys with positive tips.

Posted by dchartt on 10-29-2015 09:52 PM:

Why do people try to make dogs tree? 6 months old lmao cant believe this is a question, keep it up bud hell be a world champ in a couple months

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Posted by john Duemmer on 10-29-2015 09:54 PM:

Thats a nice pup, NO MORE HIDES IN TREES or youll be posting wanting advise on how to break a tree jacker.

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Posted by buck brush on 10-29-2015 10:21 PM:

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Originally posted by POTOMAC
I get my information from first hand account in thin coon !!!!! They might tree them up there where there is plenty of coon but in thin coon I haven't seen but one thatstartedtreeing at6 months old and the wasnt the norm hell I have one now that's as good as any track dog sucking air and she isn't 100% locking on every tree yet !! Oh she just turned 3 so there you go !!!! None are the same but a lot f wipeout dogs gets sold to young as people expecting them to be like there's too the tree monsters !!!!!! The originator of the wipeout line has jumped outta the truck more then one night trying to get to one before they leave the tree!!!!😳

there has been a lot of Wipe out dogs setting in the truck getting there picture taken probably more then just about any blood line out there. and I do not believe all the bull about thin coon or thick coon if you are packing a coon dog it will get treed no mater if there is 1 coon out there or 10 coon.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 10-31-2015 06:34 AM:

The hardest tree dog I ever owned didn't start treeing till about 12 or 12 months old.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-31-2015 01:56 PM:

I dont expect any blood out of a turnip. 6 months old tells you most all you need to know. In 6 more months come tell us what's going on then.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 11-01-2015 02:16 AM:

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I dont expect any blood out of a turnip. 6 months old tells you most all you need to know. In 6 more months come tell us what's going on then.

what you mean Ga. Dawg ?

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Posted by GA DAWG on 11-01-2015 11:50 AM:

I mean I do not expect my 6 month olds to tree. They need to be pups first. A lot of stuff can be worked on at that age that matters. Treeing aint one of them. Id bet by a yr old this pup will be treeing.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 11-02-2015 12:56 AM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
I mean I do not expect my 6 month olds to tree. They need to be pups first. A lot of stuff can be worked on at that age that matters. Treeing aint one of them. Id bet by a yr old this pup will be treeing.

oh ok

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