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Posted by coonhunter00 on 10-15-2015 11:03 PM:

Which stud or bloodline ?

Which stud is throwing or a certain bloodline that has these traits?
1.) Excellent layup ability
2.) A lot of drive (deep hunting type)
3.) Ability to work some of the roughest of tracks
4.) old houndy look ( big head , long ears, and big loud mouths)

Thanks for any replies in advance.

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Posted by southernthunder on 10-15-2015 11:28 PM:

Crocket is throwing the things you are asking about. you are welcome to contact me and set up a hunt with some of his offspring if you like out of different gyps. we will be hunting several of his pups this winter.

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Posted by John Carroll on 10-17-2015 12:34 PM:

Re: Which stud or bloodline ?

quote:
Originally posted by coonhunter00
Which stud is throwing or a certain bloodline that has these traits?
1.) Excellent layup ability
2.) A lot of drive (deep hunting type)
3.) Ability to work some of the roughest of tracks
4.) old houndy look ( big head , long ears, and big loud mouths)

Thanks for any replies in advance.

You have just described the perfect dog.

Let's look at two of the things on your list..excellent layup ability and extreme rough tracking ability.

In my limited experience, it has been exceedingly rare to find both of those extreme ability factors in the same dog.

Dogs that are real layup artists usually prefer that over grinding out bad tracks.

And likewise, dogs that really excel at handling bad tracks generally are more track oriented and don't go to the woods checking trees.

There are dogs that can do both, but I don't think I have ever hunted with a dog that truly excelled at both.

And another thing...none of the dogs I have hunted with that are truly layup specialists have been super deep, hard hunters with incredible drive. More like smart, busy hunters that check a lot of trees and don't blow through the country.

A lot of dogs that people think are hunting deep and treeing layups are just tight mouthed suckers ambushing pop up coons.

The Crockett dog is for sure a good hound for you to look at. He is a coon dog without question and is throwing big, houndy pups.

Breed a good female to him and you may get what you want.

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Posted by John Carroll on 10-17-2015 12:34 PM:

Re: Which stud or bloodline ?

quote:
Originally posted by coonhunter00
Which stud is throwing or a certain bloodline that has these traits?
1.) Excellent layup ability
2.) A lot of drive (deep hunting type)
3.) Ability to work some of the roughest of tracks
4.) old houndy look ( big head , long ears, and big loud mouths)

Thanks for any replies in advance.

You have just described the perfect dog.

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Posted by C.Metcalf on 10-21-2015 04:34 PM:

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Posted by morgan branch on 10-21-2015 06:18 PM:

x2 on crocket ive got a year old female out of crocket that was a natural starter and has all the looks a guy wants big houndy head long ears and a deep blue and rich tan color cat like feet and a super male dog mouth in the limited amount of hunting she has had she has already split treed with the coon and held pressure from a hard tree dog 50 yds away. i like what i have on the end of the leash with her and im hard to please

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Posted by steeb_63 on 10-23-2015 01:35 AM:

steber smiths bluebuzzard throws this kind also!!!

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Posted by M_Howard on 11-08-2015 01:37 AM:

Hey Kyle

It's very rare to get the best of both worlds, last dog I saw could do that and Lonnie will agree was a black and tan named Midnight, Todd Wix Hammer dog was like that and he to was a black dog. I have not seen it in the blue dogs, not saying they don't exist just hard to get both rolled up in one. Good luck and keep breeding coon dog to coon dog it's the best you can do and see what comes out of them. I always liked what Brummy has thrown, or Spring Creek Hooch. They are sure some good ones out there, I agree 100 % with Mr. Carroll.

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Posted by krocket on 11-08-2015 05:58 AM:

Re: Which stud or bloodline ?

quote:
Originally posted by coonhunter00
Which stud is throwing or a certain bloodline that has these traits?
1.) Excellent layup ability
2.) A lot of drive (deep hunting type)
3.) Ability to work some of the roughest of tracks
4.) old houndy look ( big head , long ears, and big loud mouths)

Thanks for any replies in advance.

Cant say much bout the looks but in the coon dog department my opinion Piazon would be at the top of the list I got a bitch 16 month old out of him that is the best young dog I've seen in 40 years of hunting

Posted by msinc on 11-08-2015 01:43 PM:

Another vote for Piazon....I am liking mine, not just loud...he is very loud:

Another stud you might want to consider would be Ramblin Blue Junior, he's in Virginia. He's a pretty big dog that throws hard tree dogs with good noses and loud dogs with big long ears. I have a real nice female out of him. Joe Vogatsky is a great guy to deal with.

Posted by southernthunder on 11-11-2015 03:29 AM:

Re: Re: Which stud or bloodline ?

quote:
Originally posted by John Carroll
You have just described the perfect dog.

Let's look at two of the things on your list..excellent layup ability and extreme rough tracking ability.

In my limited experience, it has been exceedingly rare to find both of those extreme ability factors in the same dog.

Dogs that are real layup artists usually prefer that over grinding out bad tracks.

And likewise, dogs that really excel at handling bad tracks generally are more track oriented and don't go to the woods checking trees.

There are dogs that can do both, but I don't think I have ever hunted with a dog that truly excelled at both.

And another thing...none of the dogs I have hunted with that are truly layup specialists have been super deep, hard hunters with incredible drive. More like smart, busy hunters that check a lot of trees and don't blow through the country.

A lot of dogs that people think are hunting deep and treeing layups are just tight mouthed suckers ambushing pop up coons.

The Crockett dog is for sure a good hound for you to look at. He is a coon dog without question and is throwing big, houndy pups.

Breed a good female to him and you may get what you want.

Mr Carroll what do you think about Grace now that you have hunted with her? She hasn't been hunted in a year either. She is now 3 and has been layed up. She posses these traits and if you hunt with her enough you will see them. She is the only one out of that cross that didn't get the powerful mouth though. She got her mother's mouth for sure but you can still hear her just fine and especially since she will usually be all alone deep with the meat lol

Posted by T-Monroe on 11-11-2015 02:06 PM:

All bloodlines have good and bad in them; there is no perfect line of hounds! As far as what stud is throwing all you have listed, who knows. All studs can throw good and bad litters, but the thing to remember is the female is 50% of making that litter. So a lot of what comes out of a litter will not only be from the stud, but the female also. I would suggest you pick 3 or 4 stud hounds that you think might cross well with your female and make a trip to go hunt with them and see what traits they have to offer. But instead of looking for the things you listed, you may want to consider looking for the traits your female is lacking. If you want to better your hounds then I would say start by looking in your own backyard for what is lacking and try to better them areas first. This is just my opinion of course.

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Posted by cabins on 11-11-2015 04:45 PM:

My mountain Music Blue "Cache" is a direct grandson of Smokey River Blue Dia. Jim and Is out of Dual Grand Ch Meadowoods Blue Penny.

He has it all. He is throwing a lot of Penny in his pups He is just two years old and has over a hundred pups. They re book to breed back. A lot of naturals awesome drive. Bear and cat dogs out of him , Ken Hitchcock has Willie, Mr Jones has a good one in W.Va.

My abbey pups are Very Very nice!

Posted by coonbone on 11-12-2015 03:47 PM:

Cabins,what do you feel like Diamond Jim was most dominate at putting into his pups? Like mouth,nose,speed,treeing,tracking,looks,hyper,calm
,and desire?
I always heard putting track speed into his pups was his forte.

Posted by cabins on 11-12-2015 04:45 PM:

Yes I do. This line came from partially from Eddie Ross of mountain Music blue Fame. I bought pups off of Jim back in the 70.s and the track speed along with drive is exceptional.

I ran 3 one yr old pups out of Cache and abbey last night w abbey . Those four hounds an drive cold tracks fast , you could cover all four w a dime. Sound all alike each one trying to beat the other.

Matt turner has bred a touch of big game in this line and that took the trash out of them. This line is accurate!!

I feel fortunate to benefit from so many houndsmen before me.

Posted by southernthunder on 11-12-2015 05:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cabins
Yes I do. This line came from partially from Eddie Ross of mountain Music blue Fame. I bought pups off of Jim back in the 70.s and the track speed along with drive is exceptional.

I ran 3 one yr old pups out of Cache and abbey last night w abbey . Those four hounds an drive cold tracks fast , you could cover all four w a dime. Sound all alike each one trying to beat the other.

Matt turner has bred a touch of big game in this line and that took the trash out of them. This line is accurate!!

I feel fortunate to benefit from so many houndsmen before me.

Eddie Ross was a friend of my papa Levi's. he talks about him and their hunts down in Louisiana every time we visit.

I like the gyp I have out of Blue x Abbey!

she acts really good and has a good mouth.

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