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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 09-07-2015 10:28 PM:

breeding question

Would you breed or buy a pup out of a dog that wouldnt stay treed?

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Posted by breezyoaks on 09-08-2015 03:04 AM:

Jmo

Nope.

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Posted by wakenda creek b on 09-08-2015 03:16 AM:

No.

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Posted by hat creek mac on 09-08-2015 01:33 PM:

Posted by BIG$BLUES on 09-08-2015 03:41 PM:

I am not real smart never claimed to be but I would think that would be a trait that would pass on

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Posted by bshort on 09-08-2015 07:13 PM:

Who owns such a dog?

Posted by Vic Stoll on 09-08-2015 08:21 PM:

Re: breeding question

quote:
Originally posted by BIG$BLUES
Would you breed or buy a pup out of a dog that wouldnt stay treed?

Wouldn't stay treed ....

1) By itself. or with company?

2) If with company, are you talking fang pressure as well as pressure applied by another dog running track?

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Posted by BEST EVER on 09-08-2015 09:08 PM:

Nope, cull them!

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 09-09-2015 03:50 AM:

I am thinking about offering one at stud bshort!!

Vic I'm talking another dog running.

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Posted by Tom Jones on 09-09-2015 02:29 PM:

whats the ped. look like? lol

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 09-09-2015 05:54 PM:

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Originally posted by BIG$BLUES
Vic I'm talking another dog running.

If that is the case, I bet a dollar to a stale donut that a lot of of the blue haired potlickers out there today have one of these in a 3 generation pedigree. Some owners may not be aware of it, some may be but choose not to admit it.

Of course everybody is gonna say no to your question though

If they wouldn't hold pressure, but were 90% accurate, maybe then?

Posted by Treedoggmafia on 09-09-2015 10:59 PM:

If a dog won't hold pressure to a coon being shot to another dog it wont last long hear!
Vic a lot have passed it down!

Posted by trueblue269 on 09-10-2015 02:07 AM:

HOW MANY FEMALES ARE BRED Annually that are brood bitches based on bloodline. Everyone on here has their favorite bloodline so what difference does it make if the dog trees. I have preference of traits that I like in the blue dogs so I lean towards certain bloodlines but we all should start breeding coon dog to coon dog to better the breed. We need to hunt with the hounds and make good decisions on a cross that would satisfy yourself and share the rest with whoever wants a hound. The biggest problem is everyone has their own preference on what a coon dog is.

Posted by coonbone on 09-10-2015 05:17 AM:

From what i've seen,there are a lot of Blueticks that won't stay treed.The question should be,what line of blueticks produce dogs that will stay treed?

Posted by Tom Jones on 09-10-2015 03:23 PM:

quote:
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From what i've seen,there are a lot of Blueticks that won't stay treed.The question should be,what line of blueticks produce dogs that will stay treed?

all of them, just the same as all will produce some that wont.

just the same as some folks will hunt a 50% accurate dog and think that's as good as any get lol :}

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 09-10-2015 05:51 PM:

quote:
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just the same as some folks will hunt a 50% accurate dog and think that's as good as any get lol :}

Ah ah .... don't forget, that percentage has regional relativity

That northern 50% cull could be that southern 90% wonder!

Remember now, we're talking blue dogs. If it stays hooked then it is icing on the cake. If it actually has something in that tree, then that is the whole cake with icing!

Posted by BIG$BLUES on 09-10-2015 06:48 PM:

How about one of those that will run there guts out keeping up with a coondog so they can cover?

There is lots of awards won by them top handlers that will tree ol let me getsome2 when they here gooden look up!!

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Posted by Tom Jones on 09-10-2015 07:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Ah ah .... don't forget, that percentage has regional relativity That northern 50% cull could be that southern 90% wonder!

Remember now, we're talking blue dogs. If it stays hooked then it is icing on the cake. If it actually has something in that tree, then that is the whole cake with icing!

vic and his 90% lmao. I never owned a 90% accurate dog ever, nor a 50%'er very long. the point of the regions is that "we wont accept it cause we aint walking a mile to a dog that's 50% but a couple times" if I only had to walk 300 yards it MIGHT be different lol.

Travis, com'on man, the truth will set you free. tell us whats on your mind lol

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Posted by Tom Jones on 09-10-2015 08:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BIG$BLUES
How about one of those that will run there guts out keeping up with a coondog so they can cover?

There is lots of awards won by them top handlers that will tree ol let me getsome2 when they here gooden look up!!

do you not minus em if only one dog is treed and you know it aint theirs?

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 09-10-2015 08:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BIG$BLUES
There is lots of awards won by them top handlers that will tree ol let me getsome2 when they here gooden look up!!

LOL !! I've even seen that happen when let me getsome2 was still running low down!

Sounds like the owner of ole gooden needs to hire the handler of let me getsome2! Gotta call that dog!

Posted by BIG$BLUES on 09-10-2015 09:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
do you not minus em if only one dog is treed and you know it aint theirs?

heck yes you do and carry a bottle of advil in your pocket for the headache from arguing lol

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 09-10-2015 09:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll
LOL !! I've even seen that happen when let me getsome2 was still running low down!

Sounds like the owner of ole gooden needs to hire the handler of let me getsome2! Gotta call that dog!

I have seen it many times myself Vic always gives me a chuckle

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Posted by hat creek mac on 09-10-2015 09:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
do you not minus em if only one dog is treed and you know it aint theirs?

THAT is the way it is SUPPOSED to be done Tom, without a doubt. I will sure hand some minus out if I am judging. Pitching is against the rules PERIOD.

Some KCs are more strict about enforcing that than others. True story: FINAL four cast of a world hunt....3 DOGS running hard across a bean field, hit the woods and one dog bombs a tree....two dogs are immediately treed and neither is barking....it was SEVERAL seconds before either dog backed but neither was minused. BOTH should have been minused for pitching.

When dogs are running together and all of them fall treed about the same time, no one knows who treed first and it all becomes a calling game. It is about which handler can get his mouth open the fastest and holler "tree ol BOZO" HOWEVER.....when one dogs comes on a tree and it is a good while before he or she receives company, there better not be but one dog treed.

I witnessed one of the so called greats of our breed on two casts. His handler would tree him second behind anything that came treed because he knew that covering sucker was on his way. I was absolutely shocked that a dog that was a me tooing POS had won all that he had won. I mean this sucker had won on the highest level. I wouldn't have fed him one bowl full of my dog feed.

Some of the PACKERS AND BACKERS pretty much have to have a "buddy" there to stay treed. If they get left all alone, they are coming unhooked pretty often. I think this is the kind that Travis is talking about. One that might look good in a slammin and jammin thick coon cast where the whole bunch packs all night, but would look pretty shaky in a cast that scattered like a covey of quail and stayed apart all night.

Posted by hat creek mac on 09-11-2015 12:24 AM:

To each his own I guess. Hunt what you like. I just get tired of reading about how good some of them are when I know better.

My ol loner that looks good in my country in thin coon is certainly going to cause hard feelings if you are dumping in patches or on feeders and expecting to tree one quick and move every dump.

There are a very few that can look good in all situations. First tree dogs in thick coon that can sink in there deep away from company if they don't strike right quick don't grow on trees.

I read a post yesterday from a young man that told how his young dog was a "first and first, deep and alone type dog"

I scratched my head for a while because I was thinking that would really be two different type hounds. One being a slammer and jammer that gets open quick and the other being a loner that gets away from the pack and usually does this by shutting his head and getting in the country.

Deep and alone is always first because he don't have company...hard to be alone if you get struck first every time. Maybe he knows something I don't. I sure don't claim to know it all.

I guess I got off topic a bit. I sure wouldn't want to knowingly breed to a dog that would pull off a tree to a dog running or treed. If he isn't independent enough to stay hooked he doesn't need to be siring pups.

JUST MY OPINION

Posted by gcblues on 09-11-2015 01:55 PM:

breeding

I don't think he ever said exactly what the dog is doing . Does dog trees for a minute then leave by itself .Does dog come off the tree when you walk in? Are you just seeing the dog on the garmin on tree.

.Has the dog EVER stayed on a tree all the way until you put a leash on it ? How old is the dog ? I cant see someone keeping a mature dog and hunting it if it wont tree. I wouldn't breed or knowingly take a pup if I knew for sure the dog just wont tree.

I guess I have one of those me too dogs. If he aint opening on his own track and another dog trees hes gonna come check it out. And when he gets there and smells coon he aint leaving the tree until you leash him up. If he trees his own coon he aint leaving till you leash him up. But he definitely don't mind gravy training on another dogs work! Im kinda new to this and I didn't realize there was such a problem with blue dogs not treeing .

Someone said no dog went further than 100 yards to tree at AO .My dog's never seen anything like that. I want to say he could do pretty well with coon that thick. Maybe he would just get confused and stand there.

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