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Posted by Craig Edwards on 06-09-2015 04:50 AM:

Is the real answer yes or no????

If you were on a cast, and finding another dog's coon would cause you to lose the cast, would you help shine the tree, and speak up if you found the coon?

I you knew a hound was mean, would you leave it at home?

Would you tell the truth about seeing a coon, or not seeing the coon, even if it meant losing the cast?

Would you submit an honest score card, even if you had an opportunity to do adjust a score card...giving you the win?

If you were hunting against any breed you did not like, would you vote on issues truthfully, even if it meant the undesired breed winning?

Would you leave a "Me too" dog at home, even though you might be able to steal a cw?

Would you vote the truth, based on a dog's actual performance, instead of voting for a friend, even if it meant your friend losing?

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Posted by Jeff Prince on 06-09-2015 04:57 AM:

You realize an honest hunter will answer yes to one question and no to the rest right ?

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Posted by Craig Edwards on 06-09-2015 04:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Prince
You realize an honest hunter will answer yes to one question and no to the rest right ?

I reworded the questions. Thanks. Think I have them right.

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Posted by Duckassassin on 06-09-2015 05:13 AM:

I put yes. Karma is a b!tch

Posted by MIKE CARDER on 06-09-2015 05:32 AM:

Me too hound.

Can someone explain this "Me Too" thing to me? I just don't understand it. How do they win?

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Posted by Jeff Prince on 06-09-2015 06:18 AM:

Re: Me too hound.

quote:
Originally posted by MIKE CARDER
Can someone explain this "Me Too" thing to me? I just don't understand it. How do they win?

He said steal a cast win. Here's one way. Split tree me too backs dog with coon. Next drop split tree me too backs dog with coon , dog who treed first coon on den. Me too under two coon dogs who treed coons under one each.me too didn't tree anything but has more points .

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 06-09-2015 06:25 AM:

There are still some good folks out there competition hunting. I seen them. I know.

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 06-09-2015 07:20 AM:

Re: Re: Me too hound.

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Prince
He said steal a cast win. Here's one way. Split tree me too backs dog with coon. Next drop split tree me too backs dog with coon , dog who treed first coon on den. Me too under two coon dogs who treed coons under one each.me too didn't tree anything but has more points .

Well that must happen a lot, I here of the me too hound winning a lot. Myself I figure if it runs the track and trees and I can see the coon then its a keeper. If it packs up and trees with another hound and has the coon then it's a keeper.

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Posted by Jeff Prince on 06-09-2015 08:26 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Me too hound.

quote:
Originally posted by MIKE CARDER
Well that must happen a lot, I here of the me too hound winning a lot. Myself I figure if it runs the track and trees and I can see the coon then its a keeper. If it packs up and trees with another hound and has the coon then it's a keeper.

Some of us have a lot higher standards than run and tree with other dogs .
I also think you should have to have a first tree with coon seen to be a cast winner and receive points towards a hunt title. If you didn't tree a coon you didn't really do anything .

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Posted by ole hoss on 06-09-2015 08:47 AM:

I'll show the coon that gets me beat. I believe the best dog should win but it doesn't always happen. I will not hunt a me too dog when I go to a hunt mine will look to get by its self when it can or we will go home and do some more work. I don't have nothing against a backer I just don't like them. I would rather have 125 than 75 right or wrong.

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 06-09-2015 08:52 AM:

Higher standards

Like i said, if it can run and tree a coon by its self and is also willing to pack up and tree im good with it, Has nothing to do with the standards. I want a hound that does what it was meant to do. You know when you cut them loose it hunts, finds a track, runs it trees it. I know everyone wants that hound that gets off by its self and does its own thing, trees its own coon, hunts as deep as it needs to. Not saying i dont want it that way, but if it is nearby i would like it in the chase too. Maybe that hound that started the track and went to the den was back tracking? Is that a higher standard?

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Posted by Jeff Prince on 06-09-2015 09:38 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Me too hound.

quote:
Originally posted by MIKE CARDER
Well that must happen a lot, I here of the me too hound winning a lot. Myself I figure if it runs the track and trees and I can see the coon then its a keeper. If it packs up and trees with another hound and has the coon then it's a keeper.

Here you didn't say " and also ".
You asked how a me too dog could win a cast and I gave an example.
You keep taking any dog that will run and tree with other dogs you'll luck into some cast wins.
As I said above if your dog didn't tree a coon either first or alone I don't think they should get a win towards a hunt title. I don't care if they have 1000 plus if they didn't tree a coon themselves they didn't do anything .

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Posted by HOBO on 06-09-2015 11:17 AM:

Deep and alone is NOT what the hunts were originally for... They wanted to see which dog could strike and tree the quickest. They also wanted the cast of dogs to work together not be a mile apart in four different directions....

We keep loosing hunting grounds all the time yet people want their dog DEEP and alone.. that tends to lead to the dogs getting somewhere they aren't suppose to be.

I want my dogs to take their tracks as they come to them and if they don't have a track going of their own I expect them to join the other hound that is working a track, and help tree that coon. No I'm not talking about coming into a tree 4 mins after the other dog trees.

To me a true me to dog is the one that doesn't make any effort to find its own track. They tend to hang around the cast until a dog barks and then they rush in and open if the track is hot if not they will stay with the dog working the track until it's warm enough for them to open on and usually slam the tree first before the other dog dogs.
That's the type I won't own or hunt.

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Posted by dchartt on 06-09-2015 11:53 AM:

I like when the hunt is almost up your dog got alone and shut other dogs out on tree and he needs it to win and the other cast members shine for a whoppin 30 seconds then stand there and bullsh!t

Posted by STROKIN on 06-09-2015 01:04 PM:

I have lost a few casts by finding the other dogs coon. It hurts but it's also the right thing to do. I have been on casts where they wouldn't help me shine the tree, but I want my dog to earn it the right way.

Posted by buck brush on 06-09-2015 01:17 PM:

Re: Re: Me too hound.

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Prince
He said steal a cast win. Here's one way. Split tree me too backs dog with coon. Next drop split tree me too backs dog with coon , dog who treed first coon on den. Me too under two coon dogs who treed coons under one each.me too didn't tree anything but has more points .

how does the me to dog have more points? if first dog treed on den he did not lose any points ???

HOBO you said the truth that is what a true coon dog should do, all these so called comp. hunters want a deep and alone dog , and want to cry about the babbling dogs , and the me to dogs , where would they have been back in the time when all dogs hunted together, back then if you came in with a cast win and had 1200 or more points in a 4 dog cast and all the dogs was on the same tree all the time in a 3 hr hunt you knew you had a COON DOG not a dog that runs throw the woods looking for a hot pop up.

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Posted by Jeff Prince on 06-09-2015 01:30 PM:

Split tree the me too dog is with a dog that treed a coon .next drop split tree the dog that treed a coon has a den me too backs a different dog that has a coon . Now you have two coon treed by two different dogs me too has more points because he me too'd twice and hasn't treed a coon .
Fyi I don't want a dead loner I want one that does split but also trees with others. Around here more than half the casts are won with one coon . Better get the big part if you want to win .

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Posted by pamjohnson on 06-09-2015 01:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
I'll show the coon that gets me beat. I believe the best dog should win but it doesn't always happen. I will not hunt a me too dog when I go to a hunt mine will look to get by its self when it can or we will go home and do some more work. I don't have nothing against a backer I just don't like them. I would rather have 125 than 75 right or wrong.

i would rather have 75 right or even 25 right but wrong is wrong 125 threw 25.

Posted by Doug A on 06-09-2015 01:37 PM:

I'm glad there are others (hobo and Buck Brush) that think like me about deep and lonely vs. fast and quick. I can't stand having to drive or worse walk around to a dog that ran to the next section first before it started hunting. If I wanted to hunt there I would have turned loose there!
Yes to all questions except the mean dog as it would not be living at my place and the me too dog would be a maybe depending on a bunch of variables.

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 06-09-2015 01:41 PM:

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Right an Wrong, will always be Right or Wrong!
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Posted by pamjohnson on 06-09-2015 01:47 PM:

i voted NO

Reason. yes i would carry a me to dog to the hunts.
I have no use for a dog that can't tree it's own coon. none at all. worthless! but that's not what people call a me to dog anyway. what they call a me to dog is something that is faster,or doesn't have the faults there dog has. so with that said. i will take that dog to the hunts and don't feel the least bit bad about it.

Posted by John D on 06-09-2015 02:13 PM:

Looks like to me the poll has connected honesty of the person with how a dog should perform. They're unrelated.

I've always tried to be honest and think everyone else should be, as well. Period. The nite hunt rules and reg. rules depend on everyone being honest. None of it works if people are dishonest. There needs to be enough honest people with backbone to speak up to keep the crooks mostly honest.

As far as how a dog performs, people are going to view meanness and me-too and every other dog trait diffferently. I've seen dogs that never so much as growled at another dog get scratched for fighting and it was done by the rules. I've seen these "wonderful" dogs that never me-too'ed, according to their owners, come dragging into a tree late. I've seen some that will split tree all night that won't go hunting if they are the only dog turned loose. I've seen dogs that would be labelled as "me-too" who can be turned loose alone and will go hunting and tree as many coons as any man's dog. Dog behavior isn't nearly as black and white as what this poll, or most hunters, would suggest.

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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 06-09-2015 02:24 PM:

I totally agree with Hobo, Buck Brush, and Doug A.

To many people believe that if a dog is not 1st tree on EVERY tree that they are a me to dog. I've seen "ME TOO " dogs; many stand around until the other dogs get the job done and then they rush in to take over.

I never take a dog to a hunt unless it can consistently tree a coon by it's self. It may not be the greatest but it will hunt and tree coons, alone or with company.

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Posted by HOBO on 06-09-2015 02:32 PM:

Re: Is the real answer yes or no????

quote:
Originally posted by Craig Edwards
If you were on a cast, and finding another dog's coon would cause you to lose the cast, would you help shine the tree, and speak up if you found the coon?

Yes... And so should everyone else.

I you knew a hound was mean, would you leave it at home?

I won't own a mean hound.

Would you tell the truth about seeing a coon, or not seeing the coon, even if it meant losing the cast?

Yes, without a doubt and I've done it more than once.

Would you submit an honest score card, even if you had an opportunity to do adjust a score card...giving you the win?

Every card SHOULD BE HONEST.

If you were hunting against any breed you did not like, would you vote on issues truthfully, even if it meant the undesired breed winning?

YES!

Would you leave a "Me too" dog at home, even though you might be able to steal a cw?

Never have owned a Me Too dog.

Would you vote the truth, based on a dog's actual performance, instead of voting for a friend, even if it meant your friend losing?

Yes. But why would voting on a dogs performance cost someone a friendship?

Went back and answered each question...

Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 06-09-2015 04:13 PM:

Re: Re: Me too hound.

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Prince
He said steal a cast win. Here's one way. Split tree me too backs dog with coon. Next drop split tree me too backs dog with coon , dog who treed first coon on den. Me too under two coon dogs who treed coons under one each.me too didn't tree anything but has more points .

What I don't understand is how the me too dog "steals a win" if it was under both coons then obviously the hound made the right decision in both trees and didn't go to a den. Didn't miss and didn't mess up. How do you classify a me to dog? A dog that gets split every time will loose way more casts than it will win in my country. On a 3 dog cast If 2 dogs ran track together on the first drop and coon was seen then on second drop 2 dogs ran track together and coon was seen and the only dog to be under both coons wins isn't that good? I understand if your talking about a dog that stands at your feet until another dog strikes then goes off and packs in, that's one thing. But if you cut 3 loose and all 3 go hunting that's another. You can't fault a dog for being under 2 coons. Sounds like someone is just mad and trying to make excuses for why their dog lost.

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