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4 dog cast 3 dogs struck and treed, fight breaks out, arrive at tree, all 4 dogs are there.....scratch whole cast? Back of score card says scratch all dogs involved when aggressors not known...,settling a conversation among freinds, lets hear it, would love official ukc ruling so a ukc response would be great

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Maybe a coyote ran in there and dogs got in fight with him!

You don't scatch any of them you don't know who was involved and who wasn't.

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I take that scratch all dogs involved when you don't know who the aggressor is as "it doesn't matter who's winning or losing when you get there the dog getting it handed to him get's scratched right along with the one that won the fight". In this case you don't even know who was in the fight so I agree with Jeff "you can't scratch anybody".

I dug this quote out of the online Coonhound Adviser
"Rule 6(b) does, in fact, state to scratch dogs involved when the aggressor is not known.
When there are more than two dogs at a tree and a fight breaks out, it is, however, in many cases difficult for a judge to determine which dogs are/were involved. It is UKC’s position that if the judge cannot determine which dogs were involved, then he should not scratch any one of the dogs.
I would discourage determining “involvement” where you isolate dogs that show physical signs of having been in a fight. Why? Because your “bad boy” may not always show any signs of having been in the fight! The last thing you want to do is scratch a non-aggressor(s) and your actual problem dog remains in the hunt.
You also have that other situation with three dogs at the tree where it is not difficult to eliminate one of them from being involved without seeing it. The judge recognizes an obvious dog fight and, at the same time, can competently identify a dog that is not involved because the dog continues to tree while a fight is going on between the other two. If that is the case, common sense should prevail and the two determined to have been involved should be scratched."

I agree, it is doubtful that all four dogs were involved so it would probably be unfair to at least two of them if all were scratched. So, now we find out if the judge is what he's cracked up to be...a good judge will advise all the handlers that he will stay as close as possible to the dogs and be the first one into the tree asap. But, this brings up another question...the rules say you cannot scratch or withdraw your dog to avoid being written up for fighting. So, what happens when the handler with the mean dog wants to bow out not that he knows there is a high probability he is going to be caught and written up???? What if the guy that wants to bow out is really just concerned for his dog and don't want him ate up????

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Score the tree and tell cast your staying close to dogs when you turn them loose and 9 times out of 10 the handler of mean dog will withdraw because he doesn't want to be written up, that's how they do it in central Missouri.

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Has been an issue for a long time. 99% of the time u can tell the two dogs involved but people want to twist the rules and streaten to scratch the whole cast cause they want man up and scratch there own dog. And if ur hunting a dog u never know.

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Originally posted by msinc
I agree, it is doubtful that all four dogs were involved so it would probably be unfair to at least two of them if all were scratched. So, now we find out if the judge is what he's cracked up to be...a good judge will advise all the handlers that he will stay as close as possible to the dogs and be the first one into the tree asap. But, this brings up another question...the rules say you cannot scratch or withdraw your dog to avoid being written up for fighting. So, what happens when the handler with the mean dog wants to bow out not that he knows there is a high probability he is going to be caught and written up???? What if the guy that wants to bow out is really just concerned for his dog and don't want him ate up????

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Ran into hunters last njght mine were treed they came in no fights this is what COON DOGS ARE SUPPOSE TO DO TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE This the way it works people huntin mean dogs are as worthless as the mean dog wake up breeders first then hunters that think they got a coon dog CULL THEM RighT OFF THE BAT thanks tim

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Originally posted by trsizemore
Ran into hunters last njght mine were treed they came in no fights this is what COON DOGS ARE SUPPOSE TO DO TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE This the way it works people huntin mean dogs are as worthless as the mean dog wake up breeders first then hunters that think they got a coon dog CULL THEM RighT OFF THE BAT thanks tim

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I agree but it happens, i was the judge on the cast, and no he aint mean, crowd a tree from time to time? Maybe idk, but not mean by a long shot. Jw what i should have done by the rule book, my decision to scratch all four dogs was overturned, btw my dog was there but neither struck or treed.

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Originally posted by Jeff Prince
I agree. Anyone knowingly hunting a mean dog in the hunts is a cheater and poor sportsman. They obviously don't care about other hunters or their dogs .These dogs should be put down or at the very least spayed or neuterd and hunted alone

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Originally posted by wildbill
hunting alone wont stop them from going to another dogs tree.

I think ukc can stop the mean dogs by writeing up the handler/owner of the mean dogs, same as 3 strikes on dog, same for the handler, will stop handlers hunting mean dogs for people when they know they going get burnt also when they do....

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Whats the difference between a mean dog and one that" will take pressure", One that "won't be run off", one that, "is just jockeying for position". How about we just "walk slow, they will have it figured out time we get there"?

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Originally posted by wrinkletreeknls
4 dog cast 3 dogs struck and treed, fight breaks out, arrive at tree, all 4 dogs are there.....scratch whole cast? Back of score card says scratch all dogs involved when aggressors not known...,settling a conversation among freinds, lets hear it, would love official ukc ruling so a ukc response would be great

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Accidental squabble? Dog one: My ear is missing! Dog two: Sorry, it was an accident.

I have been comp hunting and judging casts a few years now, there is no sych thing as an accidental squabble, this was second tree of the night, cast members said tgere was growling at first tree after my dog was tied up and tgey were getting theirs.

Still watching for ukc to chime in.

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Originally posted by wrinkletreeknls
I have been comp hunting and judging casts a few years now, there is no sych thing as an accidental squabble, this was second tree of the night, cast members said tgere was growling at first tree after my dog was tied up and tgey were getting theirs.

Still watching for ukc to chime in.

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Originally posted by shadinc
Accidental squabble? Dog one: My ear is missing! Dog two: Sorry, it was an accident.

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I was a hunting judge my vote was to scratch all dogs at that tree, including mine because the score card says to scratch all dogs involved when agressor isnt known, i was over turned 3-1

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Originally posted by wrinkletreeknls
I was a hunting judge my vote was to scratch all dogs at that tree, including mine because the score card says to scratch all dogs involved when agressor isnt known, i was over turned 3-1

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I dont know why they call it common sense, it certainly isnt all that common.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
I dont know why they call it common sense, it certainly isnt all that common.

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The key word is involved. If all four were involved then scratch the whole cast. If you can't determine who or how many were involved then none can be scratched. UKC already chimed in and I posted the quote from Advisor. It's back towards the top.