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But how many hunts did it take ????

How many other folks would like it if UKC could actually release specific information about a dog's hunt records ? Kinda like the offspring report. Hunts and hunt titles are a good thing but I think something like this would be nice. Here is an example of what I mean.


Dog A. - ( owner John Doe)
3 year old nite champion.
Hunt records :
total nite hunts entered before reaching nite ch. - 12
total # of different clubs entered in a hunt - 4
Wins came at clubs - Smithville and coonland.
Judges of each nite hunt win - Leroy , Earl, Jimbob,


Dog B. - ( owner Buster Brown )
3 year old nite champion.
Hunt records :
total nite hunts entered before reaching nite ch. - 40
total # of different clubs entered - 6
Wins came at clubs - Booneville.
Judges of each nite hunt win - Buster Brown.

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Say for instance your looking at two possible stud dogs for your female. You notice each stud dog has produced 5 grand nite champions each. How valuable would this tool be to you ? Pull up each grand nites hunt records. Think about it.

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For instance, you got two different stud dogs.

Stud dog A -
150 pups. 10 nite champs and 5 grand nites.

Stud dog B -
150 pups. - 10 nite champs and 5 grand nites.


You pull up the hunt records and you notice that for stud dog A, out of 15 titled dogs , 12 of those pups got every single win they got all at the exact same club. Also 10 of those titled dogs got every single hunt win they got with the very same judge. You dig deeper and then discover that nearly every single hunt win any of those pups got came at the same exact spot with the same exact handler and same exact guide. You then take another look at the hunt records and you find out many of those pups were entered in lots of hunts at other places around the state but never won anywhere except that same club. You check out stud dog B and you find totally different results.

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Post the dates and states hunted and im all in.

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the idea is good! gives one looking to breed,a nice tool!

But , where are you going to get all that info from?
who would have the time to read and compile all that info?

Guess , and big way out there guess!!!! LOL
it could be done.....

But , think it would require every dog chipped? so as they would be scanned in at each hunt they went too? then scanned again at the end of hunt? so they could record..... dog , hunt . location , date , place ect...... even this would require some time, and money spent by clubs UKC ect....

that would work .... till ones found away to change the chip info..... and they would!!!!!


Lotta cash involved either way!

sure is a NICE thought though! sure could change the breeding i would think????


cool idea though!

maybe u can see what im talking about , or u cant? IDK

AKA..... It could happen!!!! But , what would the expense be???? Think it would be so much???? that you would be going farther in the direction that has made a decline in the hunts as it is now?

maybe i am wrong???? as i usually am!!!!

so tell me..... how could it be done on the cheap? so to keep small time guys keep showing up to hunts....

I will listen!!!! Sure be A LOT of DATA to be complied to do this.... At least I would think?

All the info is on the score card..dog, handler, judge, guide etc. ...good idea I think

it would hurt participation at the hunts. many people put a young dog in the hunts that isn't really ready for the hunts just to support the club. many times it will be the same fellow that is the guide and judge. they wont be there doing there part if it will affect there young dogs performance record.

i also feel there would be handlers that couldn't handle not winning there cast and show some first rate poor sportsmanship.

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
i also feel there would be handlers that couldn't handle not winning there cast and show some first rate poor sportsmanship.

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
it would hurt participation at the hunts. many people put a young dog in the hunts that isn't really ready for the hunts just to support the club. many times it will be the same fellow that is the guide and judge. they wont be there doing there part if it will affect there young dogs performance record.

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You're also assuming that hunt title means good coondog. I learned years ago that just because a dog is a winner in the hunts don't mean the dog is something I
would hunt . Now days with low attendance hunt titles mean even less.

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Originally posted by Jeff Prince
You're also assuming that hunt title means good coondog. I learned years ago that just because a dog is a winner in the hunts don't mean the dog is something I
would hunt . Now days with low attendance hunt titles mean even less.

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It also isn't just the dog, last I knew it was a TEAM of dog and HANDLER. lets face it some handlers can win with any old dog.--LOL




But It should be just the dog. That's part of the benefits to having access to hunt records.

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Originally posted by Greg Burks
All the info is on the score card..dog, handler, judge, guide etc. ...good idea I think

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Score card wouldnt be accurate how many times does a score card not come back in

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Real good ideal I think it would make a Nt ch. mean more for some. Some of these Stud Dogs are being promoted. Have made hunts where there was one cast and three dogs at that. When a guy has a nice hound he would look for bigger hunts to put gr wins on his or her hound.

Say dog A was hunted at the small club hunts around his area. Made nitech. one cast of hounds done the same to grand.

Say dog B done the same to nitech Then went to the bigger hunts to put Gr.wins on his or her dog.

It would be nice to see ukc post these numbers.

I would look at Dog B a little harder.

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It would cost the clubs a lot to send in the score cards to UKC. What would you do for the casts that don't return because they have no score? What about the guide that has no coon?

It would increase the paper work and cost to UKC to handle and store the increased information. To have the information of any value you would have to also include the # of dogs interred in the hunt, what were the complete scores, did the dog win his cast (if more than 10 places, frequent at big hunts), weather conditions, etc.

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
It would cost the clubs a lot to send in the score cards to UKC. What would you do for the casts that don't return because they have no score? What about the guide that has no coon?

It would increase the paper work and cost to UKC to handle and store the increased information. To have the information of any value you would have to also include the # of dogs interred in the hunt, what were the complete scores, did the dog win his cast (if more than 10 places, frequent at big hunts), weather conditions, etc.

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I doubt I ever care myself Aint like Im rushing out to breed to some ukc big winning dog. Id rather see a list of what their pups have been put in and won.

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DocAcumen mentioned "every dog chipped". That's not a bad idea.

Let me see if I understand what you all are saying.Since this is a dream or pipe dream lets make everything equal.Take two little mate brother's owned own by the same person and had the same handler.Take those two dogs and hunt them in the same hunts against the same dogs.I know there can't be two winners at a hunt but since this is a whatever you want to call it.For the sake of this crazy idea some of you have lets say you can.Dog A makes grand nite champion in 8 hunts.His little mate brother Dog B makes grand nite champion in 48 hunts.Then take both dogs and breed them to the same female at the same time.One of those dual sired litters.This way everything is still equal.Are you all saying that the pups from Dog A will turn out better then the pups from Dog B simply because it took him less hunts to make grand nite champion? That is what it sounds like to me you are saying.If so that is well kind of dumb logic.In case some of you forgot you don't get the stud dog when you breed you get what he reproduces.Using the logic behind this plan if I understand it right.You are saying oh lets use Rat Attack for a example.If he never won a hunt in his life but was still bred to the same females it sounds like you are implying his pups would never won all the money they did since he never won a hunt in his life.I could care less what the dog won or whatever I am more interested in how its pups did

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Originally posted by DocAcumen

But , think it would require every dog chipped? so as they would be scanned in at each hunt they went too? then scanned again at the end of hunt? so they could record..... dog , hunt . location , date , place ect...... even this would require some time, and money spent by clubs UKC ect....

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Talk about information over load. Next we will want to know how many points, then its will be how many + or - points they had. UKC wont be able to do what you are talking about for free.

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Coonhunters are really headed for the crapper. You want to choose a stud or pick a pup based on a computer printout? Crunch the numbers to determine what is a COONDOG and what isn't? Microchip imformation collection? Purty dam depressing.

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you can make a Grntch winning 8 straight 1st places against stiff competition and it's not going to make them reproduce any better they either got it or they don't simple as that !!