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Posted by on 03-22-2015 02:22 PM:

How many can tell Pedigree by Dogs Looks?

Let me set the stage for this question. The time was back in the 70's when most dogs shown were also the dogs at the hunts being hunted. I felt back then if I saw enough dogs both on the bench and in the woods and studied their pedigrees. I could look at a dog and tell you what bloodlines it came from. Well after a couple years of trying to perfect this, I gave up. This was kind of my first clue and understanding to how varied the genetics were in our hounds. If you couldn't pattern looks which is something tangible and get it to repeat itself then how in the world could you breed for and get consistent qualities that are intangible and we all see differently in our hounds.

There are some breeders on the other hand that deserve some credit for maintaining similar looks and characteristics with their hounds. Thing is as soon as one dog gets out of their control and bred things start to mix in with the rest of the breed. HOBO is one breeder that comes to mind here as he has done a nice job with his hounds over the years.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-22-2015 02:28 PM:

Some traits you can tell. I can hear a treeing walker tree and tell you if its got Lipper up close sometimes. There are traits with other dogs too but I don't want to hurt feelings. lol

Posted by kayapellijed390 on 03-22-2015 05:16 PM:

I have hunted with a pile of Harry dogs that all had very similar and distinct mouths. I'm not talking 3-4 either I'm talking about a dozen or more. Also when it comes to my breed of choice, ALH's, it is pretty easy to spot a dog that is heavily Jug bred by the shape of their heads. Their are definitely exceptions and I am not saying that either line throws either consistently enough that every pup looks or sounds the same but some sure are easy to spot or hear. I think the biggest factor in how strongly they display certain traits is how closely bred they are. Outcrossing will always produce a cornucopia of looks and sounds because the genetic base is so wide.

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Posted by Fisher13 on 03-22-2015 05:34 PM:

Clover would be an obv example

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Posted by cripple creek on 03-22-2015 08:43 PM:

You got that right fisher....

also lots of wipeout dogs have some smut color in their muzzles.

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Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-22-2015 09:55 PM:

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Clover would be an obv example

I don't go to hunts a lot, but even I could tell a Clover dog, by looks or bark.

Posted by joey on 03-22-2015 10:37 PM:

Re: You got that right fisher....

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also lots of wipeout dogs have some smut color in their muzzles.

Thats what I was thinking when I was reading this. They have very similar traits in the woods also.

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Posted by HOBO on 03-22-2015 11:20 PM:

Thanks for the kind words Bruce..

I'd have to say Clover and Lone Pine blood.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-23-2015 12:12 AM:

I think this is a mainly a walker deal.I really dont know if the other breeds can tell a difference much but they may can. Ive just never paid them as much attention.

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Posted by POTOMAC on 03-23-2015 12:40 AM:

The bark dogs,coma,wipeout,clover .all have noticeable traits!!!! Not all but most

Posted by rthompson on 03-23-2015 12:45 AM:

Rat dogs all seem to gray in the face real real early. and alot of harry dogs have similar features.

Posted by HOBO on 03-23-2015 12:46 AM:

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Rat dogs all seem to gray in the face real real early. and alot of harry dogs have similar features.

The Rat dogs graying early may go back to Dohoney's Boone most of the Boone dogs so that.

Posted by msinc on 03-23-2015 04:56 AM:

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I think this is a mainly a walker deal.I really dont know if the other breeds can tell a difference much but they may can. Ive just never paid them as much attention.

Not necessarily...I can see it in Redbones, which I used to hunt and sometimes in Blueticks. Maybe a little tougher in the blue dogs. Size in general has a lot to do with it. Nailor bred dogs you can saddle up and ride...I have noticed a funny hip thing with a lot of Clover bred dogs...they seem to have a funny step in the hind quarter, almost like they are tucking that back leg in a little. Black muzzles on redbones says something, like they might have some Timber Chopper...small sized {less than 50 pounds} with a square muzzle says Brunswick Little Man....just like little small streamlined Black and Tans usually goes back to Boatman"s Midnight Screaming Eagle.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-23-2015 07:42 AM:

In blueticks, light color and coarse hawg hair usually means Jet blood I think. I was told a good Utchman bred bluetick has fatty loose skin hanging down under the neck and a V shape of white on top of the head.

Posted by Vic Stoll on 03-23-2015 05:47 PM:

blue dogs

A lot of, but not all blue dogs that have a monkey face have ole Runnin Bullet in their pedigree. On the flip side, Bullet reproduced a lot of hounds without a monkey face.

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