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Posted by myers on 03-17-2015 08:43 PM:

Another hunt ?

Say dogs a and b are treed and on the card. Dog c comes in and starts treeing in same area(likely on same tree) but handler doesn't tree dog. Keep in mind the tree will be closed before the stationary is up. If you was judge would you tell him he had 5 mins to tree his dog.

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Posted by Greg Burks on 03-17-2015 08:57 PM:

Yes....most will ask the judge how much time is left on the tree..

Posted by myers on 03-17-2015 09:14 PM:

ok then he never trees his dog and the dog is on the same tree what would you do? I would minus his strike if coon was seen and minus his tree points if off game or slick. am i think im right.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 03-17-2015 09:47 PM:

Was the dog struck before a and b were declared treed?

A dog treeing but not declared treed goes in for next available on off game or a slick tree. How the tree is scored will determine what happens to the dogs points.

If a coon was seen the dog would receive minus strike points (if not shut out) and nothing on tree.

If it's a circle tree the dog would also receive circle strike points only.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 03-17-2015 09:48 PM:

Re: Another hunt ?

quote:
Originally posted by myers
Say dogs a and b are treed and on the card. Dog c comes in and starts treeing in same area(likely on same tree) but handler doesn't tree dog. Keep in mind the tree will be closed before the stationary is up. If you was judge would you tell him he had 5 mins to tree his dog.

Also you can't run the stationary when dogs have already been declared treed.

Posted by myers on 03-17-2015 10:29 PM:

Thats what I was wanting to know Hoosier Man. Lol.

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Posted by rthompson on 03-17-2015 11:23 PM:

Was he treed when the judge got there? A dog not declared treed and obviously treed for5 min. when judge arrives is scratched!

Posted by john Duemmer on 03-17-2015 11:38 PM:

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Originally posted by rthompson
Was he treed when the judge got there? A dog not declared treed and obviously treed for5 min. when judge arrives is scratched!

This is not true, the stationary is not run when another dog is declared treed.

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Posted by rthompson on 03-18-2015 12:06 AM:

Rule 6(o)

Posted by msinc on 03-18-2015 12:16 AM:

I would suggest you read...Rule 4 {K} "Dogs treeing but not declared treed, when judge arrives, will be minused on off game or slick tree...

Also, Rule 4 {L}....

A handler is not required to tree his dog, but the judge can {as above Rule 6{O}. In this case the judge did not. Also, along these same lines, a handler is required to strike his dog...but not on a split. If the cast wants to split a strike no handler has to be included...he can stay out of it. Obviously, if it is determined that his dog is opening he gets minused. But, he can always stay out of the split and take the next available position.
Remember, winning nite hunts is not about plus points...it's about staying away from those minus points.
As to the actions of the judge...he is not required to tell or "remind" a handler how much time he has to tree his dog, etc. A good judge should do this if he is asked to.
A judge has to be careful about providing times...sadly, it could be said that a judge was showing favoritism if he gives times to one handler but not another, even if done without any intention of shorting someone.

Posted by john Duemmer on 03-18-2015 12:24 AM:

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Originally posted by rthompson
Rule 6(o)

I understand your confusion, a simple reading of the rule is not always enough to know how UKC. wants the rule to be applied. If you can get your hands on a copy of the ADVISOR it will help you understand, you could also do a search on here for (stationary rule).
When a dog trees without being called with another dog that has been treed the stationary is not applied because you will be going to that tree before the stationary would catch the dog..
When the stationary is being run on a dog and another dog trees on the same tree the stationary is broke because it is to difficult to tell if the dog hushes for 2 minutes to break the stationary.

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