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Posted by Sounder1028 on 03-15-2015 04:27 PM:

advise please

I have a 6 month old blue pup that wants to run roads. He will run forever on a road. I have dumped him down trails and walked him in the woods he will immediately turn around get back on the road and just run. He will tree on hides and a caged coon but anytime I turn him loose in the woods that's all he wants to do. Is there any way to break him of doing that or any advise on how to get him to run in the woods? Thanks

Posted by RLenhart on 03-15-2015 04:44 PM:

Re: advise please

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Originally posted by Sounder1028
I have a 6 month old blue pup that wants to run roads. He will run forever on a road. I have dumped him down trails and walked him in the woods he will immediately turn around get back on the road and just run. He will tree on hides and a caged coon but anytime I turn him loose in the woods that's all he wants to do. Is there any way to break him of doing that or any advise on how to get him to run in the woods? Thanks

It will be interresting to see what some people recommend to correct this. I don't have a sure fire method but I 'd say the 1st thinhg I would do with one that young is lay it up for a few weeks then when you get him back out make sure you take somewhere you know has allot of coon on a good night get him back in as far as you can and hope he gets struck before running for the road. Dogs are lazy creatures just like us. When they run roads like that they usually are hunting. He just figured out he can cover ground easier and quicker on the road and it actually does work for them "coon do cross roads"

Posted by on 03-15-2015 05:40 PM:

Glad you got yourself a pup. You need to break this habit. Since he is pretty young and not striking coon when you turn him loose, your have get some close.
1. He is young and laying him up is better than having running roads become a severe habit. If he every starts to strike coon off the roads the job will only get harder.
2. I would put out two buckets or have two honey holes that produce coon about every drop. Hunt him there in the woods and see what he does on a coon.

Again his is very young. One more time. He is very young. If he was older and running and treeing coon then there are other things you could.

Posted by Sounder1028 on 03-15-2015 06:22 PM:

Bruce its the pup I bought from Corey. Thanks for the advise

Posted by msinc on 03-15-2015 08:50 PM:

The first question I have is: if the dog blasts down an old woods road and gets a good distance away does it come back if you call it??? If not this could be a simple matter of teaching the command "Here". If the dog understands what "Here" means and it wont come to you when it clears out down a road then this is a tough one...if you ever owned one of these dogs that does this and was never corrected it is a real pain. Or at least it used to be before the Garmin trackers came along. Years before we had no idea that the dog was blasting away until it was long gone, but not now.
I once bought a 5 Y.O. dog that did this and she came to be known as "the disappearing dog" because that is exactly what she did. Not every night and she was a good enough dog that I really thought I had something until I realized what was going on. The worse thing about it was that she preferred to do this when she had a young puppy for company. Twice the young dog with her was lost for good.
About the only thing to do about it back then was get rid of the dog, so I did. If I had another one that did this I would still just get rid of it, but you might want to try letting the dog lose and stopping it with a E-collar every time it hits the road. You will have to keep the pressure on until the dog comes back to you. Just like training a dog the command "Here", you have to be the relief. The dog has to know that the only way this is going to go good for him is coming back to you.
If I had to try and break a dog from disappearing down woods roads I would also not work on anything but this problem until I got it stopped. Run the dog only during the day and forget about coons or anything else until this problem is cured. How long to work on it is up to you, but don't expect it to be cured in just a few sessions. Best of luck and good hunting.

Posted by roy mac on 03-15-2015 10:16 PM:

I would not be hunting him for another 4 to 6 months and would be teaching him the basic commands. you are boss the best way for him to realize this is through basic commands before he ever gets any woods time. just my opinion. Have a Good Day

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Posted by POTOMAC on 03-15-2015 10:42 PM:

Ground work stein place with e collar and basic commands !!! First of all !!! Second of all you need to let him know a road isn't his friend !!! It will get him killed quick ! First put a handle on him second when you tell him no and he doesn't listen light him up !!! He will Lear n pretty quick and some of these issues come from the owner threrselves yes it's a lot easier to walk down a road and if you let pups run in the day and you walk them down a path or log trail you are making it worse !!! I have only seen a few that wouldn't naturally run down patches or roads but most will !! So you need to put him and turn him where there isn't any roads are pathes and if there is you need not to walk on them yourself until he is broke !!! Another guy would tie pups to a tree near a busy road and back away where pup can't see him and everytime a car came by he would knick the pup until the pup realized that headlights don't feel good !!! Just might be the thing that save his life !!! Good luck and as James grice told me one time if a dog runs a road two times it's not the dogs fault !!!!!

Posted by Ky Show Girl on 03-15-2015 11:31 PM:

well I can only thank of 1-3 things teach it to come to you by tone in the back yard and put a light on it in light woods.#2 put in the pen with another dog and let them become best buds.#3 sooner or later something will break it.

Posted by Whitty on 03-15-2015 11:34 PM:

Tone break the dog with a e-collar. When he takes off down the road tone him back and walk him into the woods. I do this with all of my dogs and before long they get the picture.

Posted by Ky Show Girl on 03-15-2015 11:41 PM:

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Originally posted by Whitty
Tone break the dog with a e-collar. When he takes off down the road tone him back and walk him into the woods. I do this with all of my dogs and before long they get the picture.

I would pull off the road if I could and give my self a little room,you could walk it in a couple nights then turn it loose after other dog strike.

Posted by dchartt on 03-16-2015 12:07 AM:

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Originally posted by Whitty
Tone break the dog with a e-collar. When he takes off down the road tone him back and walk him into the woods. I do this with all of my dogs and before long they get the picture.

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this walker dog im hunting now did it when i first started him. i never shocked him once for runnin a road
all dogs are different he was going on a year old and wasnt started and the rest of his littermates were treeing coon so i got in a hurry and skipped alotta yard work and tookem right to the woods...
WENT BACK to the yard work and got a better handle on tone breaking him, once he knows what tone means if he didnt listen id givem a little juice
cut'em loose at night , hed go up a road id tonem hard, he didnt listen id tonem again still didnt listen then the juice would start and not much, keep walking him into the woods and pushem towards the woods make running in the woods a big deal hes a baby! walk with him a bit to getem going in the right direction soon as he heads for the road use the tone...GET HIM TONE BROKE good luck and remember man 6 mnths is young i wouldnt shock him for nothing but thats me

Posted by SFWALKER on 03-16-2015 02:14 AM:

Good lord.... Don't shock your 6 month old pup. This is one of many reasons to never hunt a pup so young. It can create bad habits. Like someone said, wait a few more months before you hunt him.

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Posted by msinc on 03-16-2015 02:20 AM:

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Originally posted by SFWALKER
Good lord.... Don't shock your 6 month old pup. This is one of many reasons to never hunt a pup so young. It can create bad habits. Like someone said, wait a few more months before you hunt him.

I agree 6 months is young for too much heavy training...but it sounds like this dog is hitting a woods road and blasting off, by himself. If he is big, mature, old enough to do this then he is at the very least ready to be taught what "here" means. What possible good would it do to delay that???? Sometimes, with certain dogs teaching here involves more than treats and kind words. If he's "that kinda dog" waiting months on end to try to teach the command here wont make it any easier.

Posted by Ky Show Girl on 03-16-2015 02:57 AM:

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Originally posted by SFWALKER
Good lord.... Don't shock your 6 month old pup. This is one of many reasons to never hunt a pup so young. It can create bad habits. Like someone said, wait a few more months before you hunt him.

if its old enough to bark and keep you up all night its old enough to taught manners in the back yard.he can either be your best friend or road kill.

Posted by on 03-16-2015 05:38 PM:

Sounder we showed that pup a coon when it was about 8 weeks old. Corey use to take it with us and it would climb all over the polaris ranger. Real bold pup. After Spring Gobbler season you need to bring him over and we can show him a coon or two.

Posted by Fisher13 on 03-16-2015 05:51 PM:

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Originally posted by Whitty
Tone break the dog with a e-collar. When he takes off down the road tone him back and walk him into the woods. I do this with all of my dogs and before long they get the picture.

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 03-16-2015 06:31 PM:

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Originally posted by POTOMAC
G light him up !!!

At his age he needs to be conditioned properly to an e-collar. Do a search on e-collars and/or conditioning.

A young dog properly conditioned to an e-collar will mind much better than one you light up. Today's systems, as previously stated, can get the same response from a well placed tone without using any electrical stimulation at all.

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