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Posted by Fisher13 on 01-25-2015 06:13 PM:

Developing a Training Program

Guys I am picking up a new pup in a week from Randy Smith and Lone Pine Kennels.

With this pup I would like to develop a Training Program. Which I believe will help hold me accountable to the work that is required with any new pup as well as help assess the pups progress. I'm not a professional trainer but I thought with your help we would be able to develop a general program. When it's all said and done. I hope we will have a written training program and guideline that in the future we could share with our new hunters and trainers.

I assume the easiest way to do this will be in phases which then would be broke down into into 4 week increments.


Socialization Period
Weeks 8 through 12

The goal of the Socialization Period is to make a smooth transition from his previous pack to new his home. He will also be introduced into a new routine consisting of sleeping eating and playing. Through good supervision and quick but light corrections and different feeding exercises. Our goal is by week 12 he will know how to respect humans as well as fellow dogs. Our main focus will be good manners and setting a good foundation for our future training.

Weeks 8 and 9
........1. Introduction to kennel, home, and pack members.
........2. Lots of playtime, with the purpose of observing temperament and socialization.
........3. Starting the conditioning to physical corrections and word association for verbal commands no and quiet.
........4. Beginning the corrections of any poor puppy behavior,biting,food aggression.
........5. Introduction to the normal routine, feeding times, sleeping times, play times.

Weeks 10-12
.....1. Introduction to a regular lead.
.....2. Continuation of all previous steps.
.....3. The starting of feeding exercises and basic commands.
.....4 Kennel

...............a Using a reward system, teach dog to kennel on his own free will.

......5 respect

...............a. By feeding the oldest dog in the pack first and down on the line, this help enforces our pups place in the pack as well helps him control his drive.

.....6 Off
.................a aka NO,Down,and or "leave it alone" a simple verbal correction

.....7 Manners

................a. Supervised playtimes No barking, overly aggressive growling,or stealing of toys.


By combing the above lessons by now we should have a well mannered pup that is on a schedule, accepted into the pack and a good basis of communication.

Phase 2 Obedience
Weeks 13 through 20

Our goal here is do a quick pre hunt obedience course.
Combined with some positive imprinting.
I'm not to worried about developing the drive for hunting because if he has it, it will still be there when its time.
We want a pup to take to the woods that leads, loads, is comfortable being in the woods, and the dark, is comfortable riding in the box, respect for others and is eager to work/enjoys working.

Weeks 13 and 14
.....1. Feeding Exercises
..........A. Force pup to sit and wait for food. Starting with short waiting times and increasing waiting times in small increments.
..........b. continuation of previous feeding exercise as well
.....2. Leading Exercises
..........A. Introductions to the lead, regular walks on the lead in the heel position.


Updated March 11
sorry if its a bit tough to read guys, but the it isn't formatting liked I hoped.

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Posted by buck brush on 01-25-2015 09:14 PM:

I think you need to watch the movie WHERE THE RED FURN GROWS, that young man trained two world champions, I see it is on show time today so it will be on there the rest of the week, it is a good movie to watch.

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Posted by TOUCHSTONEBEAGL on 01-25-2015 10:08 PM:

Dog psychologists have agreed that most canines are not ready for formal training until they are 4 months of age.
Therefore word association needs to be very informal. An example of this is teaching a dog to come to you. Choose one word (not a phrase or sentence). Puppies will come running to you because they want to more so than because they have learned the command. Only use the command word when the pup is already coming to you. Use lots of praise. That can provide some word association to the desired response. One of the biggest mistakes that I see in training pups is trying to teach things they are not yet ready to learn. Every time you use the command word and the pup does not give the desired response you go a step in the wrong direction. The pup will need to be leash trained and on lead to teach the commands.

Everything up to 4 months should be centered around basic health and development. Excellent quality puppy food (Purina), worming, exercise, exploring their surroundings, socialization with people and other friendly dogs, basic leash training (must be done in a very patient and happy manner. Never pull or drag a young pup, At first just go where the pup wants to go and use an overabundance of praise to get them to walk with you), riding in the dog box,


Posted by Fisher13 on 01-25-2015 11:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TOUCHSTONEBEAGL
Dog psychologists have agreed that most canines are not ready for formal training until they are 4 months of age.
Therefore word association needs to be very informal. An example of this is teaching a dog to come to you. Choose one word (not a phrase or sentence). Puppies will come running to you because they want to more so than because they have learned the command. Only use the command word when the pup is already coming to you. Use lots of praise. That can provide some word association to the desired response. One of the biggest mistakes that I see in training pups is trying to teach things they are not yet ready to learn. Every time you use the command word and the pup does not give the desired response you go a step in the wrong direction. The pup will need to be leash trained and on lead to teach the commands.

Everything up to 4 months should be centered around basic health and development. Excellent quality puppy food (Purina), worming, exercise, exploring their surroundings, socialization with people and other friendly dogs, basic leash training (must be done in a very patient and happy manner. Never pull or drag a young pup, At first just go where the pup wants to go and use an overabundance of praise to get them to walk with you), riding in the dog box,



I agree after thinking about it all day, I believe what I came up with is to accelerated. Thanks for the input! I will edit it and repost as soon as I have time.

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Posted by Ron Jackson on 01-26-2015 12:13 AM:

Click this link it should be of interest to you

http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...mp;pagenumber=1


Posted by Fisher13 on 01-26-2015 07:23 PM:

Re: Click this link it should be of interest to you

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Jackson
http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...mp;pagenumber=1


Thanks Ron very good stuff!

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Posted by Fisher13 on 01-26-2015 07:52 PM:

Edited and Updated

Introduction Phase
Weeks 8 through 12

The goal of the introduction phase is to make a smooth transition from the pups previous home to his new one. We also we begin to introduce our basic tools of training,physical corrections,and verbal commands. Socializing and introduction to new family and pack members, and environments.

Weeks 8 and 9
1. Introduction to kennel or crate
2. Lots of playtime, with the purpose of observing
temperament and socialization.
3. Starting the conditioning to physical corrections and word association for verbal commands no and quiet.
4. Beginning the corrections of any poor puppy behavior,biting,food aggression.
5. Introduction to the basic collar.

Weeks 10-11
1. Introduction to a regular lead and command down.
2. Continuation of steps 2-4



Phase 2 Imprinting and Games

Weeks 12-16
Now is the time to begin setting the foundation for the pups future. Through the use of toys,treats and scents we now hope to begin to cultivate the insincts of chasing,treeing, and use of the nose.

Weeks 12-16
1. Introduction of the cat and dog game. Since I don't live on a farm and have an actual cat, I will use a coon hide, and begin to play tug of war, keep away and other basic games with the pup. My main goal is for the pup to chase the hide visually. I will end these sessions the hide in a tree out of reach.
At feeding times I will do things like hiding his bowl of food so he has to find it using his nose.
2. Continuation of previous obedience training. Especially focusing on leading.
3. Daytime walks into the woods
4. Introduction to water and swimming if weather is appropriate.
5. If the dog is progressing well with verbal commands and shows an aptitude towards obedience Intelligence I will continue to challenge him in this area as well. Hopefully further stimulating his mind.

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Posted by Slowpoke 2012 on 01-27-2015 12:33 AM:

Just go buy a Walk with Wick book. It's already been laid out by an expert.

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Posted by DocAcumen on 01-27-2015 01:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Slowpoke 2012
Just go buy a Walk with Wick book. It's already been laid out by an expert.


so i will guess that in your opinion.....

That there is never an option to improve on what has been said or done in the past????


Posted by Fisher13 on 01-27-2015 01:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Slowpoke 2012
Just go buy a Walk with Wick book. It's already been laid out by an expert.


Thanks for your suggestion, I have read his book, as well as his articles and blogs. Good stuff!
The beauty of a Training Program is that you can create your own or alter another's to suit yours. Dog Training wether it be hounds,borders,gsp, or whatever the class of a working dog. Is a mental challenge more so then anything.
I post on here for feedback wether I enjoy the feedback or not, my overall goal is to learn and improve.
I do agree Wicks books is a good starting place, but I personally feel it is outdated and lacks quite a bit.
I hope to more or less put together a general guideline that is free for others to use but more importantly help challenge myself as a trainer and hold me accountable.

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Posted by pamjohnson on 01-27-2015 02:43 PM:

your pick

curiosity has got me. i know u have picked a very nice pup. but at the same time it doesn't seem like the breeding that fit's your style. took me by surprise!


Posted by Fisher13 on 01-27-2015 07:53 PM:

Re: your pick

quote:
Originally posted by pamjohnson
curiosity has got me. i know u have picked a very nice pup. but at the same time it doesn't seem like the breeding that fit's your style. took me by surprise!


Yeah I wasn't thrilled about trackman being the sire of the mother but according to the guys the mother is well balanced and accurate, so we shall see. I do like jiggs ped alot,and he is supposed to be throwing accurate dogs.

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Posted by RLenhart on 01-27-2015 09:40 PM:

Re: Re: your pick

quote:
Originally posted by Fisher13
Yeah I wasn't thrilled about trackman being the sire of the mother but according to the guys the mother is well balanced and accurate, so we shall see. I do like jiggs ped alot,and he is supposed to be throwing accurate dogs.

I take it then you got one out of the track girl litter not quicky. It will be interesting how she works out for you. I have a grandaughter to her and Lone Pine T Rex she's about 4 1/2 months old. Her ped. not anywhere near as impressive as your pup's but I like her alot.


Posted by Fisher13 on 01-28-2015 12:39 AM:

Re: Re: Re: your pick

quote:
Originally posted by RLenhart
I take it then you got one out of the trio whak girl litter not quicky. It will be interesting how she works out for you. I have a grandaughter to her and Lone Pine T Rex she's about 4 1/2 months old. Her ped. not anywhere near as impressive as your pup's but I like her alot.


I think I'm getting one out of quickie I thought she was out of track man as well? shows what I know

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Posted by RLenhart on 01-28-2015 12:46 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: your pick

quote:
Originally posted by Fisher13
I think I'm getting one out of quickie I thought she was out of track man as well? shows what I know

She may be, I really don't know. I know Randy said she was a litter mate to Letin loose lyla"s mother, But I have no Idea what her ped is.


Posted by Fisher13 on 01-28-2015 01:14 AM:

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Posted by Fisher13 on 01-28-2015 01:27 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: your pick

quote:
Originally posted by RLenhart
She may be, I really don't know. I know Randy said she was a litter mate to Letin loose lyla"s mother, But I have no Idea what her ped is.


Ya I wasn't sure either looks like she is, I mainly picked one up because of randys reputation and I like jiggs ped a lot. I think hubs has thrown a lot of really nice studs because he is bred so tight. I think jiggs is just another to add to the list combine that with a reputable kennel and breeder that knows what he is doing one can only hope!

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Posted by Lone Pine JB on 01-28-2015 12:29 PM:

Quickie is one of the nicest dogs I've ever seen go. She's being tuned back up now and will be in Pro hunts and such this year.

She works up the cold ones others can't even smell (I know guys say this all the time, but she actually does it) and she'll out quick you on the easy ones. Big, loud female with a male dog mouth.

I'm well aware of Trackman's reputation, and I see how he gets it. But it's not a problem we've had with his pups off Cowboy females.

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Posted by Fisher13 on 01-28-2015 01:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lone Pine JB
Quickie is one of the nicest dogs I've ever seen go. She's being tuned back up now and will be in Pro hunts and such this year.

She works up the cold ones others can't even smell (I know guys say this all the time, but she actually does it) and she'll out quick you on the easy ones. Big, loud female with a male dog mouth.

I'm well aware of Trackman's reputation, and I see how he gets it. But it's not a problem we've had with his pups off Cowboy females.



Yup having a solid bottom side goes a long way.
Johnson was just needling me, and I took the bait... Lol

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Posted by Lone Pine JB on 01-28-2015 01:32 PM:

Gotcha! For the record though, Quickie is one of my all time favorites. Randy just bought her a few weeks ago. The man that owned her before isn't a big comp hunter, he's a COONHUNTER though.

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Posted by RLenhart on 01-28-2015 01:42 PM:

Randy or Fisher

Enlighten me please. What is the problem with Track Man I'm no breeder and can't say I've paid much attention to trackman's rep. until now. I thought he was a fairly respected reproducer and supposed to be pretty good on track "no pun intended". When I picked my little Lone Pine female up my thought was if she works out she may make a suitable mate to my 2yr old that is directly out of Mojo.


Posted by pamjohnson on 01-28-2015 01:54 PM:

lol!

very nice pup.
you have great goals for your pup.
you have a plan and goals that are very important for success. goodluck!


Posted by Lone Pine JB on 01-28-2015 02:33 PM:

RLenhart, this is John, not Randy. I doubt Randy even knows how to turn on a computer. What pup do you have?

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Posted by Fisher13 on 01-28-2015 03:04 PM:

Lol thread officially Derailed!!



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Posted by RLenhart on 01-28-2015 03:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lone Pine JB
RLenhart, this is John, not Randy. I doubt Randy even knows how to turn on a computer. What pup do you have?

Her sire is lone Pine Clide which is out if Lone Pine t Rex, which I believe is out of Trackman. Her mother was out of Lone Pine Patty. Both parents were untitled to young to breed. It was an accidental breeding, not a litter I normally would have bit on, but a friend had them and when I saw all the Lone Pine I figured I'd roll the dice. Price was right.
When I said I might breed her to my all grand pup I really meant if I catch lightning in a bottle twice and she turns out to be something special "way down the road". If not I'll just leave the breeding to you guys that know what your doing.


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