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Posted by CL Keesee on 12-27-2014 06:48 AM:

Master of Hounds or Hunt Director, what's the use !

How can either send a 2 dog cast to the woods without a Judge then give said cast the win(nt ch) without a Complete Scorecard. The card had no time used in proper place and +/- signs weren't complete.
Explain Please !

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Posted by mark booth on 12-27-2014 11:53 AM:

I'm thinking the kennel club should throw the card out.

Posted by Billy Beckham on 12-27-2014 12:29 PM:

Re: Master of Hounds or Hunt Director, what's the use !

quote:
Originally posted by CL Keesee
How can either send a 2 dog cast to the woods without a Judge then give said cast the win(nt ch) without a Complete Scorecard. The card had no time used in proper place and +/- signs weren't complete.
Explain Please !

Was you involved in the cast?

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Posted by cory hall on 12-27-2014 02:06 PM:

Card does not have to have time used written on it.

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 12-27-2014 03:29 PM:

Re: Master of Hounds or Hunt Director, what's the use !

quote:
Originally posted by CL Keesee
How can either send a 2 dog cast to the woods without a Judge then give said cast the win(nt ch) without a Complete Scorecard. The card had no time used in proper place and +/- signs weren't complete.
Explain Please !

I make an attempt at explaining. All cast have a judge assigned to them. Only a one dog cast is required to have a non- hunting judge. 2 dog casts and above can have a hunting judge, but any questions that can't be resolved by the two handlers in the woods results in delete, unless it involves scratching a dog, and then the result is like any other cast number of hounds. A scratching offense would require you to come back for an MOH or panel hearing. As for the time keeping box on the card, it is simply a record keeping area for the cast and is not required to have anything at all written in it. As should have been heard as the checklist was read to the casts, the strike and tree column must have a value in them. That value is Plus, Minus, Circle, or delete in the strike and tree columns, the middle section of the tri-folded score card. No other sections matter. The totals side of the card is for admin purposes and does not have to be filled out with anything. Should there not be a value in the strike and tree columns, then the dog involved is scratched. Remember, the handler signs the card to ensure it is right in the woods before returning it to the official, so don't say you got the shaft if you signed an incomplete card. It was your fault as the handler. As MOH, I have had to scratch a winning hound twice this year because the handler certified the card with signature, and there was no value stated in one of the above said columns. One time the it was the judge, the other not. Yes, I can see the frustration you have, but sometimes we are frustrated by old rules, or we just haven't kept ourselves up to snuff as we should. If for some reason the above wasn't completed right on the card, then there is a formal complaint form and hearing that u could have requested as a handler. Did you do that? If not, again, any rule that was wrong, is still partly your fault for not doing so. I am not trying to find blame here on anyone, just trying to explain that just as they have in Washington DC, we have a system of checks and balances here in UKC when it comes to rules too, to ensure it is right before the night is over.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-27-2014 03:29 PM:

Not much can be done after the fact. Did you win?

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 12-27-2014 03:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mark booth
I'm thinking the kennel club should throw the card out.

UKC would not have the card to see or throw out unless some sort of misconduct claim was filed and then they would have to request it from the host club. Clubs are not required to send in the scorecards with a hunt report as they are in other KC's.

Posted by CL Keesee on 12-27-2014 04:12 PM:

Thanks Rock ! It's very good to see these issues answered in such a clear technique.
It's all good. I don't/didnt feel that it was bad enough fill any complaint. Hey we get to hunt another night.
But Also if ya a MOH or HD do what's Rite an by the Rule Book, not the interference of club rep who thinks Rules don't matter. Said Rule 13a Scorecard.

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