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Elephants and Coondogs

Study these two pictures and you will find the key to successful coondogs. I will explain later!! lol

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The 2 things you don't want a dog doing?

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That's good and makes sense but not the point I am going to try and make. In the morning when I have time I will add my point of view.

I say balance and breeding

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not standing on there heads on a track
and not just follow the other hounds[ me to ]

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Originally posted by roger wickerham
training and bonding if you already have genatics

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You can make an Elephant stand on his head But he's still and Elephant!

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I got two that act just like that on a bad track that they can't handle

Hunt a dog alone and he will learn to do some amazing work, or hunt him with a pack and he will more than like learn to just follow the leader. That's my guess

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Don't stand on your head and work with others to get where you want to go.

Not bad rules, but imo the biggest rule to successful coondogs is to get to the woods and coonhunt.

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Originally posted by jkidd1
Hunt a dog alone and he will learn to do some amazing work, or hunt him with a pack and he will more than like learn to just follow the leader. That's my guess

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If your hound chases one of these you will need the "New Conkey's Super Duper" shock collar?

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You guys are pretty good. Lets start with the bottom Picture of the Elephants walking. That looks like a neat circus trick just like the picture of the Elephant standing on its head. When in fact the bottom picture is a result of Genetics and the animals doing something that is bred in them to do. It comes naturally and all they need for it to happen is to be in the right environment.
Some people can also teach an elephant to stand on its head but that is not natural and the animal is not genetically inclined to stand on its head without training.
Breed the bottom elephants and you will have their offspring walking through the woods, tail to trunk. Breed the one standing on it's head and none of its offspring will ever stand on their head without specialized training and know how from a handler.

I am kind of surprised here by a statement John D made where he said the biggest rule to successful coondogs is to get to the woods and coon hunt. Maybe he takes for granted the genetics of the dogs he has and is overlooking the first key to success which is having the right genetics which I feel he has in his pen. I have seen his post enough on here to know he puts a lot of emphasis in the stock of dogs he breeds and then trains. Actually I was asked last week at a hunt if I knew someone that bred a good stock of Black and Tans and John D's name popped into my mind because of the genetics he has in his hounds. If someone told me tomorrow to go find a Black and Tan puppy and if I could finish it to a coonhound they would pay me big money. John D would be one of the first people I called to see if he had a puppy. No this is not an ad to sell pups for John D. This is about starting out with the right genetics in your coonhound which i feel we overlook at times.

First and for most we should look for dogs that have the natural ability to hunt, track and tree coon.

I will be the first to say once you you get a pup with the right genetics the road to the finish line is still a long and lonely one.
The environment you put him in plays a major role in the development of his genetic pre disposition. The elephants walking tail to trunk would never do so if they were in a pen to small to walk around in. They would never do so if they were the never exposed to another elephant. They would never do so if they were abused to the point their tail was tucked between their legs. In other words they would never do so if they were not in a environment that allowed their natural ability to come out.

Coonhounds need two basic environments. One for healthy growth of their body when young. The second is growth of their minds in an environment that allows their natural ability to hunt, track and tree to develop. This environment also includes correction at times.

So the moral to the story is. You can teach an Elephant to stand on its head, but it is not natural. The more natural ability you have in your coonhound pups the less training you have to do and the better off both of you will be. Plus it is a lot more fun!!

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You guys are pretty good. Lets start with the bottom Picture of the Elephants walking. That looks like a neat circus trick just like the picture of the Elephant standing on its head. When in fact the bottom picture is a results of Genetics and the animals doing something that is bred in them to do. It comes naturally and all they need for it to happen is to be in the right environment.
Some people can also teach an elephant to stand on its head but that is not natural and the animal is not genetically inclined to stand on its head without training.
Breed the bottom elephants and you will have their offspring walking through the woods, tail to trunk. Breed the one standing on it's head and none of its offspring will ever stand on their head without specialized training and know how from a handler.

I am kind of surprised here by a statement John D made where he said the biggest rule to successful coondogs is to get to the woods and coon hunt. Maybe he takes for granted the genetics of the dogs he has and is overlooking the first key to success which is having the right genetics which I feel he has in his pen. I have seen his post enough on here to know he puts a lot of emphasis in the stock of dogs he breeds and then trains. Actually I was asked last week at a hunt if I knew someone that bred a good stock of Black and Tans and John D's name popped into my mind because of the genetics he has in his hounds. If someone told me tomorrow to go find a Black and Tan puppy and if I could finish it to a coonhound they would pay me big money. John D would be one of the first people I called to see if he had a puppy. No this is not an ad to sell pups for John D. This is about starting out with the right genetics in your coonhound which i feel we overlook at times.

First and for most we should look for dogs that have the natural ability to hunt, track and tree coon.

I will be the first to say once you you get a pup with the right genetics the road to the finish line is a long and lonely one.
The environment you put him in plays a major role in the development of his genetic pre disposition. The elephants walking tail to trunk would never do so if they were in a pen to small to walk around in. They would never do so if they were the never exposed to another elephant. They would never do so if they were abused to the point their tail was tucked between their legs. In other words they would never do so if they were not in a environment that allowed their natural ability to come out.

Coonhounds need two basic environments. One for healthy growth of their body when young. The second is growth of their minds in an environment that allows their natural ability to hunt, track and tree to develop. This environment also includes correction at times.

So the moral to the story is. You can teach an Elephant to stand on its head, but it is not natural. The more natural ability you have in your coonhound pups the less training you have to do and the better off both of you will be. Plus it is a lot more fun!!

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That is so true Bruce.Way to go!

Good post Bruce!

I hunt with Bruce about 5 nights a week. He has taught me a lot in the short bit of time we have been hunting and working together. But when he started asking me if I ever seen elephants do this first thing yesterday morning. I thought for a minute he fell and bumped his head walking through the woods the other night! Lol Makes a lot of sense and the puppies we have right now show genetics passed down from there mom and dad and really prove what he has to say about the elephants. I believe analogies and comparing one thing to another is a great way to prove a point or learn about something like genetics that is so misunderstood.

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Originally posted by Bruce M. Conkey


So the moral to the story is. The more natural ability you have in your coonhound pups the less training you have to do and the better off both of you will be. Plus it is a lot more fun!!

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Originally posted by Bruce M. Conkey


So the moral to the story is. The more natural ability you have in your coonhound pups the less training you have to do and the better off both of you will be. Plus it is a lot more fun!!

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btw I happen to know john personally and have hunted with him on a few occasions. he has both the breeding and training covered in his kennel. He is competent at both.

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