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Stud Dog Pup Earnings

DOIN SOME RESERCH ON SOME WALKER STUDS AND WOULD LIKE TO CHECK SOME OF THE PUPS EARNINGS
I HAVE MOST EVERYTHING I NEED IN UKC FROM CB MAGAZINE, I HAVE A TRACKMAN PUP HERE AND HER PAPERS SHOWS

TRACKMAN SHOWS $567,549 dollars won by his pups

WOULD LIKE TO SEE PUP EARNINGS FROM
MOJO
STYLISH HARRY
INSANE CAIN
COMA'S STYLISH LEGEND
HARDWOOD CORNELL
COLD SWEAT
AND ALL OTHERS YOU WANT TO POST

NICK IMMEL PLEASE POST TRACKERS PLEASE

Call brandy at pkc

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Sire … Breed … # Pups … Pups $$ … $$/Pup

Sires-
Rat Attack … Treeing Walker … 2,518 … $1,898,941.59 … $754.15
Ball's Stylish Harry … Treeing Walker … 3,187 … $781,781.02 … $245.30
Stylish Clover … Treeing Walker … 1,187 … $693,058.62 … $583.87
M / F's Wipeout Zack … Treeing Walker … 1,575 … $680,980.43 … $432.37
Rock River Sackett Jr. … Treeing Walker … 1,915 … $612,330.94 … $319.76
Tequila Sunrise … Treeing Walker … 1,557 … $597,476.09 … $383.74
Track Man … Treeing Walker … 2,692 … $561,953.39 … $208.75
Medleys Hardwood Homer … Treeing Walker … 445 … $446,603.39 … $1,003.60
Fletchers Stylish Jake … Treeing Walker … 1,788 … $419,737.94 … $234.75
Skuna River Fred … Treeing Walker … 1,030 … $409,008.68 … $397.10
Nocturnal Nailor … Treeing Walker … 3,774 … $399,774.70 … $105.93
Skuna River Bark … Treeing Walker … 1,166 … $392,366.73 … $336.51
Wipeout Zeb Again … Treeing Walker … 611 … $385,733.77 … $631.32
Nickens' Flatrock Coma … Treeing Walker … 407 … $364,468.06 … $895.50
Boogar Hollow Mojo … Treeing Walker … 1,596 … $349,847.24 … $219.20
Medleys Hardwood Swamp … Treeing Walker … 986 … $343,810.94 … $348.69
Stylish Lipper … Treeing Walker … 2,065 … $323,646.39 … $156.73
Hard Knockin St Hayes … Treeing Walker … 2,434 … $296,566.66 … $121.84
House's Lipper … Treeing Walker … 2,182 … $285,629.90 … $130.90
Cowee Creek Clint … Treeing Walker … 1,427 … $242,316.85 … $169.81
White Rvr Tar Nailor … Treeing Walker … 273 … $237,966.85 … $871.67
Stylish Coma … Treeing Walker … 2,005 … $237,027.83 … $118.22
Hardwood Maniac … Treeing Walker … 1,106 … $234,567.44 … $212.09
Morgan's Master Latch … Treeing Walker … 767 … $233,094.33 … $303.90
Backwater Bone Collector … Treeing Walker … 1,329 … $228,201.98 … $171.71

Dam … Breed … # Pups … Pups $$ … $$/Pup

-Dams-
Stylish Silk … Treeing Walker … 24 … $212,162.55 … $8,840.11
Georgia Cyclone … Treeing Walker … 48 … $210,930.46 … $4,394.38
Tar Scream'n Casey … Treeing Walker … 45 … $198,601.55 … $4,413.37
SF Tree Talken Annie … Treeing Walker … 57 … $177,527.95 … $3,114.53
Gadd's IN Singin Yaya … Treeing Walker … 8 … $168,885.34 … $21,110.67
Shonuff Mary Jo … Treeing Walker … 20 … $138,293.27 … $6,914.66
McQueen & Fergy's Polly … Treeing Walker … 40 … $126,288.59 … $3,157.21
Tri Color Stylish Nowheres … Treeing Walker … 24 … $126,232.15 … $5,259.67
Stylish Queen … Treeing Walker … 21 … $126,190.85 … $6,009.09
Baby … Black & Tan … 5 … $119,808.79 … $23,961.76
Silver Dollar Sally … Treeing Walker … 37 … $119,056.23 … $3,217.74
Ungers Maggie Mae … Treeing Walker … 29 … $118,661.41 … $4,091.77
Tar Stylish Kate … Treeing Walker … 26 … $117,674.71 … $4,525.95
Million $ Gin Rummy … Treeing Walker … 16 … $111,637.61 … $6,977.35
Stylish Cloey … Treeing Walker … 30 … $111,505.32 … $3,716.84
Stylish Phret … Treeing Walker … 29 … $111,489.43 … $3,844.46
Backwater Pearl … Treeing Walker … 36 … $107,033.68 … $2,973.16
Williams Hrdwd Molly … Treeing Walker … 50 … $100,848.84 … $2,016.98
Bellar's Handsome Ann … Treeing Walker … 40 … $98,538.90 … $2,463.47
Smoky Mtn. Witch … Treeing Walker … 37 … $98,484.75 … $2,661.75
Hicountry's Honey Gal … Treeing Walker … 30 … $96,523.32 … $3,217.44
Fallen Timber Lady … Treeing Walker … 16 … $89,271.30 … $5,579.46
Rat's Lone Pine Roxie … Treeing Walker … 37 … $88,816.55 … $2,400.45
Aron's Skuna Riv Lockett … Treeing Walker … 43 … $85,202.68 … $1,981.46
Salt Creek Private Dancer … Treeing Walker … 16 … $83,784.87 … $5,236.55

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GRNITECH PKC CH CHKC CH
Raleigh's Backwater Hawk

PKC GCH CHKC CH Wipeout 3 Bee
(Z3 x Bell)

PKC CH CHKC CH Rush Run Lil
(Nuck x Lilly)

PKC SCH CHKC CH Wipeout Shorty

Past Home of:

2012 FALL SENIOR SS CH.
GRNITECH PKC PLATINUM CH
MISTER OVERDRIVE
(Drive X Missy)

GRNITECH PKC GOLD CH Kate
(Jack X Jill)

2013 IL PKC State Race Ch.
GRNITECH PKC GOLD CH Little Miss Dottie
(Mr.Jack X Bit)

GRNITECH Curlee Jane
2018 UKC Bluetick World Ch
2018 Fall Round Up Ch
2018 Winter Classic Ch
2017 Battle of The Breeds Ch

NITECH 2018 PKC YOUTH WORLD CH PKC SILVER CH Dirty South Side

GRNITECH PKC SILVER CH SKUNA RIVER QUICK
(Fred X Sue)

GRNITECH Stylish Chase
(Clyde X Patty)

GRNITECH PKC SILVER CH Foggy Mtn. Gomer

UKC GrSqCh NKC GrSqCh Dirt Dodge's Jager

STEVE THANKS FOR POSTING THESE RECORDS

pup earnings

Could anyone post an updated list on top studs pup earnings,thanks

Sire offspring earnings top 100

Sorted By Highest Pup Earnings

Sire … Breed … # Pups … Pups $$ … Ave $/Pup
Rat Attack … TW … 2,540 … $1,905,138.71 … $750.05
Wipeout Zeb 3 … TW … 642 … $1,345,933.35 … $2,096.47
Backwater Bone Collector … TW … 2,257 … $1,165,329.41 … $516.32
Ball's Stylish Harry … TW … 3,270 … $833,972.29 … $255.04
Boogar Hollow Mojo … TW … 1,723 … $729,359.57 … $423.31
Track Man … TW … 2,946 … $716,820.50 … $243.32
Stylish Clover … TW … 1,187 … $693,058.62 … $583.87
M / F's Wipeout Zack … TW … 1,588 … $689,928.65 … $434.46
Tequila Sunrise … TW … 1,567 … $689,027.31 … $439.71
Rock River Sackett Jr. … TW … 1,915 … $612,330.94 … $319.76
Wipeout Zeb Again … TW … 613 … $532,121.41 … $868.06
Medleys Hardwood Homer … TW … 445 … $509,156.59 … $1,144.17
Full Throttle (Jiggs) … TW … 239 … $448,198.37 … $1,875.31
Skuna River Bark … TW … 1,166 … $441,524.03 … $378.67
Fletchers Stylish Jake … TW … 1,788 … $430,461.23 … $240.75
Skuna River Fred … TW … 1,056 … $414,939.05 … $392.93
Nocturnal Nailor … TW … 3,774 … $401,397.55 … $106.36
Nickens' Flatrock Coma … TW … 407 … $364,468.06 … $895.50
Power Pack … TW … 465 … $357,730.96 … $769.31
Medleys Hardwood Swamp … TW … 986 … $343,810.94 … $348.69
Stylish Lipper … TW … 2,068 … $323,646.39 … $156.50
Big Money … TW … 899 … $305,005.22 … $339.27
Hard Knockin St Hayes … TW … 2,434 … $296,566.66 … $121.84
House's Lipper … TW … 2,196 … $285,629.90 … $130.07
R & R's Neosho Cuz … TW … 557 … $274,123.31 … $492.14
Handsome Demon … TW … 272 … $252,511.93 … $928.35
Cowee Creek Clint … TW … 1,428 … $246,754.73 … $172.80
Harry Bawls … TW … 529 … $246,520.76 … $466.01
White Rvr Tar Nailor … TW … 273 … $241,749.06 … $885.53
Slow Talking Buzz … TW … 492 … $240,161.14 … $488.13
Stylish Coma … TW … 2,005 … $238,272.46 … $118.84
Hardwood Maniac … TW … 1,106 … $234,567.44 … $212.09
Morgan's Master Latch … TW … 772 … $233,411.33 … $302.35
WCH Wipeout 3 Sum … TW … 280 … $226,909.37 … $810.39
Mojo Mason … TW … 594 … $224,147.84 … $377.35
Slow Talking Blaze … TW … 417 … $213,411.11 … $511.78
Thunder's Wild Clyde … TW … 1,056 … $206,198.76 … $195.26
Hd Kn Stylish Hayes Jr. … TW … 1,091 … $204,913.21 … $187.82
Wipeout Hellbilly … TW … 236 … $201,240.74 … $852.72
Babe's Stylish Banjo … TW … 1,376 … $199,712.88 … $145.14
Turpin's Insane Cain … TW … 2,025 … $199,458.93 … $98.50
W T Mr Clean … TW … 805 … $198,558.62 … $246.66
Doctor … TW … 160 … $195,306.01 … $1,220.66
Half Breed Mule … CR … 58 … $192,961.74 … $3,326.93
Nch Abbeys Last Trip … TW … 166 … $187,961.32 … $1,132.30
T C's Cutter … TW … 1,316 … $187,493.68 … $142.47
Stylish Bushwacker … TW … 536 … $186,694.52 … $348.31
Michigan Swamp Rooster … EN … 2,903 … $184,328.51 … $63.50
Bad Habit … TW … 232 … $176,148.56 … $759.26
Wipeout Willie … TW … 401 … $166,090.66 … $414.19
WCH G & E Fightin' Side … TW … 392 … $164,920.53 … $420.72
Hardwood Patch … TW … 771 … $163,884.00 … $212.56
Hardwood Henry … TW … 956 … $163,686.48 … $171.22
Wipeout Zeb … TW … 61 … $162,441.91 … $2,662.98
Stylish Trader … TW … 46 … $161,333.35 … $3,507.25
American Express … TW … 62 … $161,244.35 … $2,600.72
Mister Jack … TW … 253 … $160,214.63 … $633.26
Pack Man … TW … 691 … $159,959.55 … $231.49
WCH Silver Dollar Stone … TW … 759 … $157,549.07 … $207.57
Medley's Hardwood Lock Box … TW … 506 … $155,610.94 … $307.53
Coma's Stylish Legend … TW … 569 … $148,882.24 … $261.66
Setum Up Ace … BT … 1,345 … $148,791.93 … $110.63
Tree Talking Crockett … TW … 510 … $148,522.66 … $291.22
WCH Thousand Dollar Bill … TW … 77 … $148,330.18 … $1,926.37
Davis' Sty Harry's Hammer … TW … 612 … $147,472.14 … $240.97
Nch Wipeout Clayton … TW … 225 … $145,904.84 … $648.47
Dk Hollow Hobo's Hoss … BT … 892 … $143,234.99 … $160.58
Romans 8:28 … TW … 195 … $142,249.67 … $729.49
WCH Smokin Hotspot … TW … 122 … $139,672.20 … $1,144.85
Skuna River Lipper … TW … 584 … $136,336.18 … $233.45
Klear Kreeks Rock River Sto … TW … 770 … $128,217.54 … $166.52
Son's Rock River Cord … TW … 899 … $127,008.03 … $141.28
Stylish Buster … TW … 148 … $126,986.22 … $858.02
Hillbilly Deluxe … TW … 284 … $126,903.30 … $446.84
Stylish Gus … TW … 103 … $122,487.71 … $1,189.20
Handsome Harry … TW … 40 … $122,032.35 … $3,050.81
Abbott's Yad Rv Cruise … TW … 1,323 … $120,770.94 … $91.29
Wipeout Jed … TW … 16 … $120,610.04 … $7,538.13
Nocturnal Skipper … TW … 433 … $119,461.87 … $275.89
My Only Reezen … TW … 907 … $119,373.14 … $131.61
C C Hoosier Tracker … TW … 141 … $117,031.49 … $830.01
Stylish Pete … TW … 174 … $115,010.04 … $660.98
Cowboy … TW … 7 … $114,878.55 … $16,411.22
Salt Creek Rapid River Sockett … TW … 232 … $114,713.60 … $494.46
Lipper's Stylish Rank … TW … 1,309 … $112,463.24 … $85.92
Bc Chrome … EN … 412 … $112,293.06 … $272.56
Mister Overdrive … TW … 155 … $111,018.94 … $716.25
Zeb's Wipeout Koy … TW … 279 … $109,685.51 … $393.14
Nelson Northern Rex … BT … 471 … $108,967.88 … $231.35
Johnson's Delta Rebel … TW … 271 … $108,765.37 … $401.35
Mountain Moby … TW … 197 … $107,495.28 … $545.66
Neosho River Rudy … TW … 387 … $106,683.66 … $275.67
The Whole Nine Yards … TW … 76 … $105,875.08 … $1,393.09
Buck Creek Mr. Smith … TW … 348 … $105,848.34 … $304.16
Cabo Wabo … TW … 288 … $105,465.49 … $366.20
Ole South's Stylish Rebel … TW … 1,097 … $103,885.44 … $94.70
Tar Heel Nitro … TW … 1,627 … $103,816.40 … $63.81
Coon Rip'N Rambler … TW … 116 … $100,477.07 … $866.18
Redneck Mafia … TW … 119 … $100,257.72 … $842.50
Buck Creek Bandit … TW … 125 … $99,225.43 … $793.80

Same List Sorted By Highest Average Pup Earnings

Sire … Breed … # Pups … Pups $$ … Ave $/Pup
Cowboy … TW … 7 … $114,878.55 … $16,411.22
Wipeout Jed … TW … 16 … $120,610.04 … $7,538.13
Stylish Trader … TW … 46 … $161,333.35 … $3,507.25
Half Breed Mule … CR … 58 … $192,961.74 … $3,326.93
Handsome Harry … TW … 40 … $122,032.35 … $3,050.81
Wipeout Zeb … TW … 61 … $162,441.91 … $2,662.98
American Express … TW … 62 … $161,244.35 … $2,600.72
Wipeout Zeb 3 … TW … 642 … $1,345,933.35 … $2,096.47
WCH Thousand Dollar Bill … TW … 77 … $148,330.18 … $1,926.37
Full Throttle (Jiggs) … TW … 239 … $448,198.37 … $1,875.31
The Whole Nine Yards … TW … 76 … $105,875.08 … $1,393.09
Doctor … TW … 160 … $195,306.01 … $1,220.66
Stylish Gus … TW … 103 … $122,487.71 … $1,189.20
WCH Smokin Hotspot … TW … 122 … $139,672.20 … $1,144.85
Medleys Hardwood Homer … TW … 445 … $509,156.59 … $1,144.17
Nch Abbeys Last Trip … TW … 166 … $187,961.32 … $1,132.30
Handsome Demon … TW … 272 … $252,511.93 … $928.35
Nickens' Flatrock Coma … TW … 407 … $364,468.06 … $895.50
White Rvr Tar Nailor … TW … 273 … $241,749.06 … $885.53
Wipeout Zeb Again … TW … 613 … $532,121.41 … $868.06
Coon Rip'N Rambler … TW … 116 … $100,477.07 … $866.18
Stylish Buster … TW … 148 … $126,986.22 … $858.02
Wipeout Hellbilly … TW … 236 … $201,240.74 … $852.72
Redneck Mafia … TW … 119 … $100,257.72 … $842.50
C C Hoosier Tracker … TW … 141 … $117,031.49 … $830.01
WCH Wipeout 3 Sum … TW … 280 … $226,909.37 … $810.39
Buck Creek Bandit … TW … 125 … $99,225.43 … $793.80
Power Pack … TW … 465 … $357,730.96 … $769.31
Bad Habit … TW … 232 … $176,148.56 … $759.26
Rat Attack … TW … 2,540 … $1,905,138.71 … $750.05
Romans 8:28 … TW … 195 … $142,249.67 … $729.49
Mister Overdrive … TW … 155 … $111,018.94 … $716.25
Stylish Pete … TW … 174 … $115,010.04 … $660.98
Nch Wipeout Clayton … TW … 225 … $145,904.84 … $648.47
Mister Jack … TW … 253 … $160,214.63 … $633.26
Stylish Clover … TW … 1,187 … $693,058.62 … $583.87
Mountain Moby … TW … 197 … $107,495.28 … $545.66
Backwater Bone Collector … TW … 2,257 … $1,165,329.41 … $516.32
Slow Talking Blaze … TW … 417 … $213,411.11 … $511.78
Salt Creek Rapid River Sockett … TW … 232 … $114,713.60 … $494.46
R & R's Neosho Cuz … TW … 557 … $274,123.31 … $492.14
Slow Talking Buzz … TW … 492 … $240,161.14 … $488.13
Harry Bawls … TW … 529 … $246,520.76 … $466.01
Hillbilly Deluxe … TW … 284 … $126,903.30 … $446.84
Tequila Sunrise … TW … 1,567 … $689,027.31 … $439.71
M / F's Wipeout Zack … TW … 1,588 … $689,928.65 … $434.46
Boogar Hollow Mojo … TW … 1,723 … $729,359.57 … $423.31
WCH G & E Fightin' Side … TW … 392 … $164,920.53 … $420.72
Wipeout Willie … TW … 401 … $166,090.66 … $414.19
Johnson's Delta Rebel … TW … 271 … $108,765.37 … $401.35
Zeb's Wipeout Koy … TW … 279 … $109,685.51 … $393.14
Skuna River Fred … TW … 1,056 … $414,939.05 … $392.93
Skuna River Bark … TW … 1,166 … $441,524.03 … $378.67
Mojo Mason … TW … 594 … $224,147.84 … $377.35
Cabo Wabo … TW … 288 … $105,465.49 … $366.20
Medleys Hardwood Swamp … TW … 986 … $343,810.94 … $348.69
Stylish Bushwacker … TW … 536 … $186,694.52 … $348.31
Big Money … TW … 899 … $305,005.22 … $339.27
Rock River Sackett Jr. … TW … 1,915 … $612,330.94 … $319.76
Medley's Hardwood Lock Box … TW … 506 … $155,610.94 … $307.53
Buck Creek Mr. Smith … TW … 348 … $105,848.34 … $304.16
Morgan's Master Latch … TW … 772 … $233,411.33 … $302.35
Tree Talking Crockett … TW … 510 … $148,522.66 … $291.22
Nocturnal Skipper … TW … 433 … $119,461.87 … $275.89
Neosho River Rudy … TW … 387 … $106,683.66 … $275.67
Bc Chrome … EN … 412 … $112,293.06 … $272.56
Coma's Stylish Legend … TW … 569 … $148,882.24 … $261.66
Ball's Stylish Harry … TW … 3,270 … $833,972.29 … $255.04
W T Mr Clean … TW … 805 … $198,558.62 … $246.66
Track Man … TW … 2,946 … $716,820.50 … $243.32
Davis' Sty Harry's Hammer … TW … 612 … $147,472.14 … $240.97
Fletchers Stylish Jake … TW … 1,788 … $430,461.23 … $240.75
Skuna River Lipper … TW … 584 … $136,336.18 … $233.45
Pack Man … TW … 691 … $159,959.55 … $231.49
Nelson Northern Rex … BT … 471 … $108,967.88 … $231.35
Hardwood Patch … TW … 771 … $163,884.00 … $212.56
Hardwood Maniac … TW … 1,106 … $234,567.44 … $212.09
WCH Silver Dollar Stone … TW … 759 … $157,549.07 … $207.57
Thunder's Wild Clyde … TW … 1,056 … $206,198.76 … $195.26
Hd Kn Stylish Hayes Jr. … TW … 1,091 … $204,913.21 … $187.82
Cowee Creek Clint … TW … 1,428 … $246,754.73 … $172.80
Hardwood Henry … TW … 956 … $163,686.48 … $171.22
Klear Kreeks Rock River Sto … TW … 770 … $128,217.54 … $166.52
Dk Hollow Hobo's Hoss … BT … 892 … $143,234.99 … $160.58
Stylish Lipper … TW … 2,068 … $323,646.39 … $156.50
Babe's Stylish Banjo … TW … 1,376 … $199,712.88 … $145.14
T C's Cutter … TW … 1,316 … $187,493.68 … $142.47
Son's Rock River Cord … TW … 899 … $127,008.03 … $141.28
My Only Reezen … TW … 907 … $119,373.14 … $131.61
House's Lipper … TW … 2,196 … $285,629.90 … $130.07
Hard Knockin St Hayes … TW … 2,434 … $296,566.66 … $121.84
Stylish Coma … TW … 2,005 … $238,272.46 … $118.84
Setum Up Ace … BT … 1,345 … $148,791.93 … $110.63
Nocturnal Nailor … TW … 3,774 … $401,397.55 … $106.36
Turpin's Insane Cain … TW … 2,025 … $199,458.93 … $98.50
Ole South's Stylish Rebel … TW … 1,097 … $103,885.44 … $94.70
Abbott's Yad Rv Cruise … TW … 1,323 … $120,770.94 … $91.29
Lipper's Stylish Rank … TW … 1,309 … $112,463.24 … $85.92
Tar Heel Nitro … TW … 1,627 … $103,816.40 … $63.81
Michigan Swamp Rooster … EN … 2,903 … $184,328.51 … $63.50

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see neosho river cuz on this list and his pup are total crap compared to neosho river rudy and others in the neosho river blood line. what a lost line that could have done so much better.....