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Posted by T.LEE on 09-29-2014 03:41 AM:

High percentage cross

What are some of the high percentage crosses in the recent history of blueticks.

Some that come to my mind.
SPIKE X IVY
BOOMER X RUBY
POUNDER X SIS
RC X JENNY

I know there has to be some more just can't think of them right now.


Posted by pamjohnson on 09-29-2014 01:00 PM:

katie x smokey


Posted by bluetickman2002 on 09-30-2014 02:13 AM:

hillbilly X lady

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Posted by Brandon Gudgeon on 09-30-2014 05:03 AM:

I've heard a lot of talk about these crosses, but would anyone have the specific numbers to each?

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Posted by T.LEE on 09-30-2014 09:51 PM:

spike x ivy

got this from another thread.
Here's the list I have for the B&D's Blue Spike x Twilite Blue Poison Ivy cross
GRNT B&D's Blue Ruby
GRNT B&D's Blue Queen
GRNT Hilltop Spike's Northern Blue
GRNT Rhode's Southern Blue Nailor
NTCH Rhode's Southern Blue Ike
NTCH Cold Mt. Blue Kate


Posted by T.LEE on 09-30-2014 10:05 PM:

boomer x Ruby

A few of these I knew. The rest I got from Mr. Tucker's thread.
Boomer X Ruby

Grnite Boomer 2
Grnite Boone
Grnite Raven
Grnite Jane
Nitech Banjo (4 wins)
Nitech Jack
Nitech Joleen
Nitech Alice
Nitech Breeze
Nitech Jo Ann
Nitech Terra (died with 4 wins)

I know Joleen has wins I just don't know how many


Posted by Nick Jennings on 09-30-2014 11:27 PM:

id like to know what the B&D'S Blue Spike x NGNC wild n blue Lou cross made.

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Posted by sns o squaw crk on 10-04-2014 06:02 PM:

Daniel Lancaster has a pair in Wisconsin that he bred a few years back that produced 3 dual champions out of a litter of 11 I believe, all made coon dogs, a few have never been competition hunted, one was spayed and never nite hunted, one got hit by a car and never nite hunted. so pretty high percentage for the ones that lived and got put in the hunts. I believe they may possibly be the only 3 dogs to be put in a hunt out of the litter, but everyone was very happy with the hide dogs they got. One of the dual ch. has never been in a bigger hunt and the other two have both placed at bluetick days, one was 5th place this year sat. nite open, ch nitech dd riverbend blue daisy, and ch nitech sns of squaw crks blu hank was 2nd runner up in the 2013 invitational hunt at bboa days.

DD riverbend blue Bucky x grch DD riverbend Blue kayt

Kayt is utchmen bred and bucky goes back to Jackhammer, B&D blue spike, Bissels northern blue daisy...all in his 3 or 4 generation papers. he made the cross again recently here. pups aren't born yet.


Posted by wakenda creek b on 10-05-2014 09:02 AM:

Rambo II X Heather

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Posted by msinc on 10-11-2014 03:13 PM:

Piazon X Alice...

I dont know if the puppies were "high percentage" but the talk about it was.


Posted by coonhunter00 on 10-11-2014 04:13 PM:

Smokey x Katie

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Posted by Lukejr on 10-11-2014 09:15 PM:

high %

I know for fact that 8 out of 10 pups out of Piazon and Alice made Nite Ch. Best cross I have ever heard of or seen. Mike and myself was going to make the cross again until Danny offered us more than we wanted to turn down. Now a year later I wish we would of kept her and made the cross again. Outstanding coon dogs out of this cross.


Posted by CoryHamby22 on 10-12-2014 06:58 AM:

Jane will be bred to piazon first of the year.
Hope for same numbers.

-----------GRCH. GRNITECH pr Levi's Northern Blue Bingo
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------- GRNITECH. PR. Bingo's Northern Blue Dancer
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-----------CH NITECH. PR Oswalts Mighty Blue Mae Belle
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----GRNITECH PR Nashoba Valley Piazon
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----------GRNITECH. PR. Coz' Spare Time Spanky
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-------Pr Sheppards Blue Brook
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-----------PR. Sheppards Northern Blue Betsy III
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pups

---------- ---------------------------------
----------NITECH.PR. Quinn Southern Blue Thunder
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-------GR.NiteCH.PR Tuckers Blue Bomer
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-----------PR Christians Blue Gretchen
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----GRNITECH Creekside Insane Jane
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-----------CH. GRNITECH> B&D'S Blue Spike
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-------GRNITECH. PR. B&D'S Blue Ruby
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-----------GRNITECH> PR. Twilite Blue Poison Ivy
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Posted by T.LEE on 10-12-2014 06:59 PM:

High %

Do you guys and gals think that crossing dogs out of these good crosses would up the odds of the pups being good reproducers?


Posted by msinc on 10-12-2014 07:52 PM:

Re: High %

quote:
Originally posted by T.LEE
Do you guys and gals think that crossing dogs out of these good crosses would up the odds of the pups being good reproducers?


Anytime this subject comes up you always hear guys say things like, "it's not the pedigree that trees coons" or "the best dog I ever had didn't have a famous dog in his pedigree", "I seen a lot of grand nites I wouldn't give .50 cents for" or my other favorite..."those high breeds can't guarantee a coon dog any more than the hillbilly down the roads dog can."
I agree that there might not be any guarantees or surefire recipes to make great dogs but for my time and money I want the pup with the most known, proven reproducers in its pedigree. I get that it's not cut in stone and also have seen a few great dogs that came from unknowns and were an unknown. If you just want a blue dog then no you certainly don't need anything fantastic in the background but I believe that for the best possible chance you want as many greats as you can get.
Another way of saying it might be that I have two blue dogs in my kennel that I both traveled a considerable distance and paid a considerable fee to own. Both dogs have several of the top ten U.K.C. current and historical reproducers in their pedigrees. I really like both of these dogs and they appear to have the makings of something at least above average. Would I have traveled as far and paid as much for two pedigrees full of PR' dogs??? Nope. Might have been just as happy in the end, but even if they did turn out I probably would have too much trouble trying to sell pups to even consider it.


Posted by T.LEE on 10-12-2014 08:15 PM:

odds

Maybe I'm way off base. But I think We can increase the odds by breeding coondog to coondog.
It would also seem to me that if you can get 2 good coondogs together that came from good high% crosses that this would help to stack the deck in your favor a little bit more.
I'm like everyone else I want a coondog, but I would also like a coondog with the ability to pass those traits to the next generation a high percentage of the time.

Once again maybe I'm way off base, But it would seem to me that if We are going to raise the odds of our pups being good reproducers then their pedigrees should be stacked with good reproducing parents and grandparents.


Posted by kenelero on 02-26-2017 04:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sns o squaw crk
Daniel Lancaster has a pair in Wisconsin that he bred a few years back that produced 3 dual champions out of a litter of 11 I believe, all made coon dogs, a few have never been competition hunted, one was spayed and never nite hunted, one got hit by a car and never nite hunted. so pretty high percentage for the ones that lived and got put in the hunts. I believe they may possibly be the only 3 dogs to be put in a hunt out of the litter, but everyone was very happy with the hide dogs they got. One of the dual ch. has never been in a bigger hunt and the other two have both placed at bluetick days, one was 5th place this year sat. nite open, ch nitech dd riverbend blue daisy, and ch nitech sns of squaw crks blu hank was 2nd runner up in the 2013 invitational hunt at bboa days.

DD riverbend blue Bucky x grch DD riverbend Blue kayt

Kayt is utchmen bred and bucky goes back to Jackhammer, B&D blue spike, Bissels northern blue daisy...all in his 3 or 4 generation papers. he made the cross again recently here. pups aren't born yet.


Nice info this is important for me too


Posted by krocket on 02-27-2017 03:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by CoryHamby22
Jane will be bred to piazon first of the year.
Hope for same numbers.

-----------GRCH. GRNITECH pr Levi's Northern Blue Bingo
------------
------- GRNITECH. PR. Bingo's Northern Blue Dancer
---------------------------------------------
-----------CH NITECH. PR Oswalts Mighty Blue Mae Belle
---------------------------------------------
----GRNITECH PR Nashoba Valley Piazon
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----------GRNITECH. PR. Coz' Spare Time Spanky
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-------Pr Sheppards Blue Brook
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-----------PR. Sheppards Northern Blue Betsy III
---------------------------------------------

pups

---------- ---------------------------------
----------NITECH.PR. Quinn Southern Blue Thunder
--------------------------------------------
-------GR.NiteCH.PR Tuckers Blue Bomer
---------------------------------------------
-----------PR Christians Blue Gretchen
---------------------------------------------
----GRNITECH Creekside Insane Jane
---------------------------------------------
-----------CH. GRNITECH> B&D'S Blue Spike
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-------GRNITECH. PR. B&D'S Blue Ruby
---------------------------------------------
-----------GRNITECH> PR. Twilite Blue Poison Ivy
---------------------------------------------

CAN YOU SAY COON DOGS


Posted by coonbone on 03-02-2017 06:59 PM:

Re: boomer x Ruby

quote:
Originally posted by T.LEE
A few of these I knew. The rest I got from Mr. Tucker's thread.
Boomer X Ruby

Grnite Boomer 2
Grnite Boone
Grnite Raven
Grnite Jane
Nitech Banjo (4 wins)
Nitech Jack
Nitech Joleen
Nitech Alice
Nitech Breeze
Nitech Jo Ann
Nitech Terra (died with 4 wins)

I know Joleen has wins I just don't know how many



Is there anything that really stands out with this cross? Like mouth,stay treed,accurate,hard hunting,and stuff like that.


Posted by Ron Moore on 03-03-2017 01:22 PM:

IMO

IMO, the so called high percentage crosses are dubbed that after the fact. Nothing is cut in stone. Does anyone remember the Rambo II and Heather cross that produced all the Gr Nites out of one litter. I spoke with Jim Smalling on this cross and he informed me that this cross was made several times with only good success in that first litter. If there was such a thing as a high percentage cross, I would say that this would be it but considering how many made it from all the crossed from these two, it probably wasn't.

In years past, way before we started keeping score, how did we get a good coon dog? Word of mouth and hunting with the dogs we were interested in. Only when we started keeping track of all the Gr Nite and Nite Ch did we have a tool to use for figuring out how to choose. When this method came about it was much easier for people to pass on the not so qualified hounds, IMO. I've personally tried many times in the past to make the so called high percentage cross by going to some of the winningest Blueticks in the country with my good females but got average outcomes at best. Now, my average and yours may differ some so I'm just going on my standards. Some of my better crosses were made with the not so well known hounds. I remember one well know stud owner saying to me one time that if the pups turn out to be a success then they're out of my male and if not they're out of your female. Those are the words of a good promoter! I don't mean to sound pessimistic on this subject because there are some very qualified studs and bitches out there that will definitely improve our breed but we need to study first what we want in a hound and it's not always all rolled up in a piece of paper. This is just some food for thought and not meant to discredit any one or any dogs.

All this being said I believe that there were some dogs that left their mark. Hammer II, SR Diamond Jim and Chief, Jet V, Ucthman's Ranger and Hawk, Rambo II and one of the lesser used studs, Hindman's Broad Ax Blue Max. That is just a few of the more modern studs that produced well when crossed on different females but even breeding to these studs were no guaranteed high percentage crosses as they all had their share of duds as all dogs do. I didn't leave anyone out on purpose but it would be impossible to list all the dogs. Sorry so long but stuff just kept popping into my head, LOL. Thanks and have a wonderful day.


Posted by BawlinBlues on 03-04-2017 03:53 AM:

Spike and Elle cross,made several times with good results.nice hounds out of every cross.I agree with Ron on Alot of what he wrote.

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Posted by cwbluebio on 03-09-2017 03:38 PM:

Gr Nt Ch Joleen

T. Lee- Joleen is a Grand Night Champion. She has reproduced good hounds off everything she has been bred to. I own her with Cory Carlson.

Regardless of what "method" of breeding or selection an individual subscribes to any time you can stack the deck of probability in your favor it helps. Simply put: Good hounds-males and females. from good hounds, from good litters of good hounds. If the dogs you use have a lot in common in how they go hunting and tree Coon and share many of the same ancestors, again you increase the probability of producing better hounds and better litters. It cannot be just on paper. Each generation has to be able to do it!

Joleen and Alice are littermates and both are reproducing some nice hounds. I am comfortable working with line bred Jet hounds because I know more about them. We are blessed with many good lines of Blueticks for a man to follow. I am excited about 3 females out of Jet V and my line bred Jet female Lucy ( a dual grand female that finished very easily). These females are making solid hounds and hopefully will reproduce their likeness in the future.

Enjoyed your post, good luck everybody!


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