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Posted by damon shivers on 07-06-2014 12:35 AM:

why doesnt HTX degrees

Show on parents pup degrees?You got Ch,Grch,Nitech,Grnitech,Wch,Grwch,Fch,Grfch and so on why not Htx?

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Posted by Patti-Lou on 07-06-2014 04:21 AM:

HTX

HTX does show up on dogs titles. It comes as a suffix at the end of the dog's title unlike CH, GRCH, NiteCH and GRNiteCH which are a prefix to the title at the beginning of name. HTX degree has only been recognized in the UKC registries for four or five years.

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Posted by damon shivers on 07-06-2014 04:58 AM:

what I meant was

On dogs pups degrees earned

Posted by Patti-Lou on 07-06-2014 12:53 PM:

HTX

I own two dogs whose Grand Sire has an HTX degree. It shows on their pedigree.

Grandsire
CH GRNITECH PR" RAPIDAN RIVER RAGIN RAMBO HTX

Is that what you mean?

Patti-Lou

Posted by Gregory Kemp on 07-06-2014 02:52 PM:

Damon, It should show on the pedigree. If not you should contact ukc. Now, I will tell you something that I have been after ukc before about, is why isn't the HTX winners published in the back of the bloodlines??? I have stressed this to ukc. The kids around my area, talked about why there hound was not published in the bloodlines for passing an HTX event. If they would do that it would brighten a lot of kids around my area and they might get more folks to try them and learn more about them. I for one really like the HTX hunts. Ukc shows all other winners in the bloodlines (Nite hunt, bench show, etc.) so why not the HTX winners???

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Posted by stonehill on 07-06-2014 03:46 PM:

I believe the man is asking about where it shows what a dog has produced in the way of titled dogs. In other words it will show "Mr. Stud " as producing x no. of Nt ch , ch ,wch, etc. but does it show the no. of HTX's he has produced ? If not then why not ? This is a good question does anybody know the answer ?

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Posted by damon shivers on 07-06-2014 03:50 PM:

you are right on!

It is a degree earned by a pup of a dam or stud why not?

Posted by pamjohnson on 07-06-2014 08:23 PM:

that is a excellent ?

it should be posted on pedigrees.

Posted by Todd K / UKC on 07-07-2014 04:17 PM:

On a P.A.D (pups and degrees) pedigree only championship titles are included which are those earned in competition. But I agree with you, I would like to see HTX included in those stats and I would also like to see HTX certified dogs eligible for the duals class at the Autumn Oaks and Winter Classic bench shows.

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Posted by Jeff Ashmore on 07-07-2014 09:22 PM:

Todd

That is a good idea.

Jeff

Posted by damon shivers on 07-07-2014 11:07 PM:

awsome!!!!!

I was just wondering because it a degree a dog has earned if its not what's the point!would like to see it in the p.a.d of dogs!

Posted by John Stuart on 07-07-2014 11:51 PM:

I feel like the HTX means very little to UKC. The proof is that you can make a dog HTX several times over and still change the name of the dog. You can breed a hound to another hound that neither of them tree and you can't change the name of the parents after the pups are registered. You can take a hound that won't tree and make it a show champion and the dog now can't have it's name changed. In my opinion when a dog is made a HTX "champion" he should carry the same name from then on just like a nt ch does.

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Posted by Gregory Kemp on 07-08-2014 04:52 PM:

John, X2

Posted by ov_blues on 07-08-2014 06:15 PM:

I had not noticed that they had quit listing them. I have a set of papers issued August 8th, 2008 that lists HTX degrees. Then I have a set of papers issued on Feb 19th, 2013 that the HTX degree is not listed on the offspring report for the same dog. I'd have to go back thru several papers to see when they quit listing HTX on the offspring reports. But they did list them at one time.

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 07-08-2014 08:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by John Stuart
I feel like the HTX means very little to UKC.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. There are reasons why the HTX certificate is not considered a championship. We can discuss that and hopefully get it changed. I am all for it as described above. But please don't insist that the program means "very little to UKC". Especially to the person who developed it. Cause that could not be further from the truth.

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Posted by RED REBELS on 07-08-2014 08:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. There are reasons why the HTX certificate is not considered a championship. We can discuss that and hopefully get it changed. I am all for it as described above. But please don't insist that the program means "very little to UKC". Especially to the person who developed it. Cause that could not be further from the truth.

So Todd, why isnt it considered a championship degree? Is that because it did not have to "compete" to earn it?

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Posted by Jeff Ashmore on 07-08-2014 08:20 PM:

HTX

We have several people in different areas that like HTX and I feel that UKC has done well with them. Being a person with disabilities that can't really compete because of fast walking, length you have to walk ect. I can HTX as well as field trail and swim with my dog. Therefore I am thankful to Todd and UKC. HTX I feel was designed to show that your dog can tree a coon, training for young people without pressure of being in hunt and to show them the rules. And for people like me.

Thanks Jeff

Posted by ov_blues on 07-08-2014 08:48 PM:

Todd

Any idea why HTX was listed on the PAD at one point and now it isn't?

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Posted by rmcmillan on 07-08-2014 10:25 PM:

I AGREE I ENJOY HTX AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CLUBS HAVE THEM.

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Posted by damon shivers on 07-09-2014 01:52 AM:

just dont understand it is a degree

A pup has earned that is what my papers say pup degrees if HTX isn't a degree then what is it?

Posted by ov_blues on 07-09-2014 02:35 AM:

Damon, UKC says it is a certification, not a degree. I believe it is because a degree is in competition and the HTX is not a competition.

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 07-09-2014 02:29 PM:

The terminology is confusing even for me. It is my understanding that "title" and "degree" may be used interchangeably. But neither indicate a "championship". They may simply indicate a "working certificate". Typically a working certificate indicates a dog has some degree of natural ability to do the job it's breed was bred to do.

So take coonhound hunt tests....originally it was deemed to be a working certificate or basic test of instinct. But it's not really. It's a three pass requirement that requires some training to pass. In my mind it should be considered a championship at some point.

Our retriever program is a hunt test where dogs earn a pass or fail. They earn 4 passes at the basic level for a started degree. They earn 3 passes at the middle level for a mid level degree. And they earn 3 passes at the top level to earn their championship. That game is easy to make the test progressively harder.

I would like to think of a way to make the HTX events progressively harder and award different levels of degrees ending with a championship.

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 07-09-2014 02:31 PM:

Re: Todd

quote:
Originally posted by ov_blues
Any idea why HTX was listed on the PAD at one point and now it isn't?

I do not remember that HTX was ever included in the PAD info? I even asked a couple ladies in our registration department and they don't remember it either? Not doubting you that it was included but will you send me a pic of one of your papers that had it included? I want to see how it was set up.

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Posted by ov_blues on 07-09-2014 05:05 PM:

Re: Re: Todd

quote:
Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
I do not remember that HTX was ever included in the PAD info? I even asked a couple ladies in our registration department and they don't remember it either? Not doubting you that it was included but will you send me a pic of one of your papers that had it included? I want to see how it was set up.

I faxed the pedigree to you at 269-343-7037.

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Posted by Robert Welch on 07-10-2014 05:05 AM:

Re: Re: Todd

quote:
Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
I do not remember that HTX was ever included in the PAD info? I even asked a couple ladies in our registration department and they don't remember it either? Not doubting you that it was included but will you send me a pic of one of your papers that had it included? I want to see how it was set up.

I've got a P.A.D. too that has an HTX titled dog that has its parents having produced such.

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