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Question about Caged Coons

How many use them and are they beneficial? I have heard alot of trainers use them with great results.Those that use them,are they strictly for pups or do you use them for dogs up to a few years old? I trained past dogs without them but seems to be alot of competition hunters use them.Appreciate any feedback,thanks.....

I think a lot of people like to use them to get a pup/young dog fired up over a coon. The problem is most people get overly excited when that young pup barks at a caged coon and acts like it wants to tear the cage apart that they over do it with the caged coon.

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hobo, i agree....most hunters usethe caged coon for their own entertainment,thinking

they are training...sure it helps some but no where near the number believed! my opinion!! I would feel very confident, in betting that; there would be plenty of dogs from every breed in the world that would bark at or be aggressive toward(or actively defensive of) a coon in a cage.........and they would never ever be a coonhound! ......................alwaysthought it would be fun to get a bunch of different breeds and see how many I could make into coondogs!!!...but hard enough doing it with "bred to be" coonhounds!!

some pups will bark at a caged coon and some won't. The pups that won't that i have seen make poor kill type of dogs but will trail and tree good. If you put them in a tree it teaches the dog to tree by sight not scent. I just let them bark at it on the ground and turn it loose for them to trail a hot track. I might use a older dog to get them to bark at the caged coon the first time but when i turn it loose the pup will be on its own. I guess you could say it is another tool to help train and see what they are made of.

Caged coons can be beneficial in starting a pup as long as you understand that caged coons are completely worthless in judging a pup. Probably more pups have been needlessly culled because of caged coons than anything else.
It can get a pup fired up and started down the path or just as likely, it may get no reaction at all. Go ahead and show your pup a caged coon, just don't go making any serious judgements about your pup based on what you see when you show that caged coon.
One other thing, showing a lead coon, that is a coon on a leash, is about 100 times more productive than showing a coon in a cage. The tricky part is getting that collar on that coon. Snares are your friend here.

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Originally posted by JiM
Caged coons can be beneficial in starting a pup as long as you understand that caged coons are completely worthless in judging a pup. Probably more pups have been needlessly culled because of caged coons than anything else.
It can get a pup fired up and started down the path or just as likely, it may get no reaction at all. Go ahead and show your pup a caged coon, just don't go making any serious judgements about your pup based on what you see when you show that caged coon.
One other thing, showing a lead coon, that is a coon on a leash, is about 100 times more productive than showing a coon in a cage. The tricky part is getting that collar on that coon. Snares are your friend here.

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Well Stanley,this looks like another fine mess you've gotten us into

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Ray, I would be glad to send you a video of my Amish buddy collaring a big, mean, madder than hell caged coon. If you want to see a video of ME doing it, well, no such video will ever exist.

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i haven't done the collar on a coon thing but know someone that did. he said he put it in a feed sack n got the coons head down in the corner with his feet back then whound the bag tight till he couldn't move put the collar on real tight over the bag then cut the bag off him.

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Originally posted by JiM
Caged coons can be beneficial in starting a pup as long as you understand that caged coons are completely worthless in judging a pup. Probably more pups have been needlessly culled because of caged coons than anything else.
It can get a pup fired up and started down the path or just as likely, it may get no reaction at all. Go ahead and show your pup a caged coon, just don't go making any serious judgements about your pup based on what you see when you show that caged coon.
One other thing, showing a lead coon, that is a coon on a leash, is about 100 times more productive than showing a coon in a cage. The tricky part is getting that collar on that coon. Snares are your friend here.

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A catch pole works as well or better than a collar and is a LOT less dangerous.

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Originally posted by JiM
Ray, I would be glad to send you a video of my Amish buddy collaring a big, mean, madder than hell caged coon. If you want to see a video of ME doing it, well, no such video will ever exist.

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Well Stanley,this looks like another fine mess you've gotten us into

Ray Hudson

i have helped collar several ,,put them in a 5 gallon bucket with lid put a few drops of stuff from the vet they go to sleep for a few minutes most vets probably wont let you have any of it dont know what its called

caged coons and pups

If I don't have a pup barking at a caged coon by 1 year old I cull them. They either have it or they don't. I have never seen a dog make it after a year old if they will not bark at a coon. Some people may wait 2 or 3 years for a pup to make it but I don't have the patience for it. Life is too short so why wait on a dud!

I've seen several top quality coon hounds that were afraid of a caged coon but would trail, tree, and fight a coon in the woods. Like Jim said, way to many good prospects have been culled because they show no interest in a caged coon.

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you can release the coon from the trap or cage into a large hand held fishing net. when he get very intangled you can get a hold on him. also, you can use a hog catcher. it a short metal pole with a cable that goes threw it and out the other end. you slip the loop around its neck and you're done.

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I have always used a caged coon to show a pup what a coon is. I use caged coons until the pup is opening on track and then no more, but I honestly don't know if it helps the dog or not. I relocate a lot of coons to my property this way so it might be a good thing after all.
I agree many good dogs wont react to a coon in a cage just one on one out in the middle of a field. Some go ballistic. Few pups will not bark at a coon in a rolling cage near their kennel when the dog cant get to it but sees it rolling around. Especially if you have above ground kennels and put the coon under the dog. Even a shy dog cant stand much of that.
I believe you can really fire some dogs up on tree with a caged coon but not all of them. I have used caged coons since back in the 80's and the one thing I have to agree with is the different way dogs will react. If you go by actions alone my wife's toy Australian shepherd is the best coon dog I got.
I have noticed that if you take a broke finished coon dog that has treed countless coons and turn out a caged coon even the old pro will not run and tree it like it does a wild natural track found at night in the woods...if it trees it at all. I have always noticed this and that fact makes me wonder even more just how much we should expect out of a pup.
I have also noticed that the type of dog that goes absolutely ballistic over a caged coon is also the one that usually will be a challenge to break off of trash game. Not so much the calm natured dog that don't really care much about a coon in a cage. Bottom line for me is that I do it a little but don't really know if it does much. Seen a lot of dogs turn out fine that never were "trained" on a caged coon.

Thanks for the input! We are pretty thin on coons in my area and usually had enough to train the dogs in the woods.Appreciate the different views that everybody has on caged coons and I realize that everyone has different training methods that are successful.I like new training ideas if they work.I don't know about the leash part yet.If anybody has a video of doing it,I want to see it!!! Got a buddy that attempted that with welder's gloves one time.Well,that was his last time trying that approach....