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Slick Trees

I HAVE A ALMOST 5 YEAR OLD WALKER THAT I HAVE HAD FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, GREAT TREE DOG BUT WAY TO MANY SLICK TREES. ANYWAY TO BREAK THIS, THANKS

Cut a switch, bust their butt and send them on.... REPEAT as needed.... Or move them on to some else.

Beating a dogs butt has never fixed a lack of nose or the brains to use it.

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Originally posted by MikeR
Beating a dogs butt has never fixed a lack of nose or the brains to use it.

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Originally posted by MikeR
Beating a dogs butt has never fixed a lack of nose or the brains to use it.

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Originally posted by patches9452
that may be true but it can sure stop a lot of slick treeing

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Originally posted by MikeR
Lol. You keep believing that.

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i have a friend that has a slick treeing dog hes been beeting his slick treeing dog for over a year now.. as soon as he knows the tree is slick he cuts a switch and starts in on him and now the dog has got ill on the tree and knows hes gunna get beat when his owner gets there still slicks ever nite he gets turned out usually multiple times

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Originally posted by stevenbry86
i have a friend that has a slick treeing dog hes been beeting his slick treeing dog for over a year now.. as soon as he knows the tree is slick he cuts a switch and starts in on him and now the dog has got ill on the tree and knows hes gunna get beat when his owner gets there still slicks ever nite he gets turned out usually multiple times

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i think that the right dog could be broke that way but this dog is a crazy radical type tree dog thats just looking to get treed i hope this guy has good luck with whatever he decides to do just wanted to put my two cents in

At 5 yr old. I dont think it can even be slowed down by whipping. 3 yrs ago maybe. Id try hunting his guts out. Ever night as many nights as I could go. See how he was in about a month. If that dont work. No hope.

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Originally posted by patches9452
I will. Want work on all of them but will work on a lot if them. What makes you think you can break a dog off trash by whipping his but and can't break one from treeing to fast. It's all the same principle. Want make him any better or any less track dog just wiser about picking his trees.

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Originally posted by MikeR
Too many of you guys think the answer to all dog problems is to beat them. Beating a dog can't overcome shortfalls in genetics - lack of nose and the brains to use it.

And for the record I never said and do not think that in all cases you can break a dog off trash by whipping it. How the heck are you going to correct a dog on a 2 mile deer chase by whipping it? Corrections should be done DURING the ACT not AFTER the FACT.

A long time ago an old coonhunter told me "son in order to be a good dog trainer you have to be smarter than the dog". He was right.

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Heard of dogs like this treeing on squirrel scent .Take him out mid morning and see what he does if hes still treeing like you say it may be squirrels. IF so using a shock collar would help.As it would on any off game.

Some can be broke , some are too stupid to know any different . I'd say at 5 years old , I'd get rid of him and move on . If he was young I would put time in him if he had some other tools , but only being a good tree dog isn't a good enough reason to keep a 5 year old that makes a bunch of slicks .

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i know some people that keep slick treeing dogs untill they die and run around talking how good they are, i know of a slick treeing dog that is a legend in a lot of peoples eyes.

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Originally posted by randy baxley
I HAVE A ALMOST 5 YEAR OLD WALKER THAT I HAVE HAD FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, GREAT TREE DOG BUT WAY TO MANY SLICK TREES. ANYWAY TO BREAK THIS, THANKS

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I believe squirrels are nothing but a handy excuse. I have had feeders for deer and coons baited up with cameras on them for the last four years straight. Not year around but the majority of the time. I have them in two different states and both states have an abundance of squirrels. Gray, fox and flying. Not one single time have I gotten a picture of a squirrel, other than the occasional flying squirrel, at night. Not one. Even the little flying squirrels are pretty rare. I see hundreds of them during the day so they are there. So I have to say maybe squirrels do move at night, but they don't eat!!!Which doesn't sound right to me.
I have seen several dogs that would grab a tree that is obviously empty. I have seen a few that for whatever reason would tree on the nearest dead log...whether or not there was a coon seen in the tree the other dogs treed on. Not one single time have I ever seen anyone ever able to stop or even slow down a slick treeing dog and sadly I have to say I have seen one beaten near to death. Only to pull up slick two nights later.
I don't know what makes 'em do it, but I don't think it can be stopped, I aint never seen it stopped and I don't think I will ever let the old "it must be a squirrel" excuse work for me.
Reminds me of the old joke about the big stud dog that the fella had. He turns him out on a hunt to show all the local guys just what a tree dog he is and what an asset to their breeding program he can be. The dog hits a track and runs a big circle only to tree right in front of them up a little pine sapling about 4 ft tall. Obviously slick...somebody says "what ta hell???" The big stud dog man yells "get back everybody just get back...the coon aint got here yet!!!!!!!!"
I'll buy that excuse quicker than most of the other squirrel stories.

flying squirrels

i have seen as many as a half dozen in a single nite of hunting walking no more than a 1000 yards. depends on were u live. i have also seen alot of mice and sure enough some dogs will mess with them as well.
what ever u want to call it an excuse or offgame the coon isnt there.
you don't wont to put up with a dog slick treeing the best method may be the shock collar. only 1 way to find out. maybe a switch. maybe pushing daiseys. goodluck!

Take a proven squirrel dog to the woods on certain nights in the south and they will make several trees .Will usually slack up late at night .I had a walker crossed on something brindle that was a slick treeing idiot at night but a lot of fun in the day. Dont know about other places but ive seen several squirrels at night , not much fun after wading water to get there.

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Originally posted by MikeR
Too many of you guys think the answer to all dog problems is to beat them. Beating a dog can't overcome shortfalls in genetics - lack of nose and the brains to use it.

And for the record I never said and do not think that in all cases you can break a dog off trash by whipping it. How the heck are you going to correct a dog on a 2 mile deer chase by whipping it? Corrections should be done DURING the ACT not AFTER the FACT.

A long time ago an old coonhunter told me "son in order to be a good dog trainer you have to be smarter than the dog". He was right.

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just shoot the piece of **** don't send that dog down the road and make it someone elses problem

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Originally posted by msinc
I believe squirrels are nothing but a handy excuse. I have had feeders for deer and coons baited up with cameras on them for the last four years straight. Not year around but the majority of the time. I have them in two different states and both states have an abundance of squirrels. Gray, fox and flying. Not one single time have I gotten a picture of a squirrel, other than the occasional flying squirrel, at night. Not one. Even the little flying squirrels are pretty rare. I see hundreds of them during the day so they are there. So I have to say maybe squirrels do move at night, but they don't eat!!!Which doesn't sound right to me.
I have seen several dogs that would grab a tree that is obviously empty. I have seen a few that for whatever reason would tree on the nearest dead log...whether or not there was a coon seen in the tree the other dogs treed on. Not one single time have I ever seen anyone ever able to stop or even slow down a slick treeing dog and sadly I have to say I have seen one beaten near to death. Only to pull up slick two nights later.
I don't know what makes 'em do it, but I don't think it can be stopped, I aint never seen it stopped and I don't think I will ever let the old "it must be a squirrel" excuse work for me.
Reminds me of the old joke about the big stud dog that the fella had. He turns him out on a hunt to show all the local guys just what a tree dog he is and what an asset to their breeding program he can be. The dog hits a track and runs a big circle only to tree right in front of them up a little pine sapling about 4 ft tall. Obviously slick...somebody says "what ta hell???" The big stud dog man yells "get back everybody just get back...the coon aint got here yet!!!!!!!!"
I'll buy that excuse quicker than most of the other squirrel stories.

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Originally posted by MikeR
Too many of you guys think the answer to all dog problems is to beat them. Beating a dog can't overcome shortfalls in genetics - lack of nose and the brains to use it.

And for the record I never said and do not think that in all cases you can break a dog off trash by whipping it. How the heck are you going to correct a dog on a 2 mile deer chase by whipping it? Corrections should be done DURING the ACT not AFTER the FACT.

A long time ago an old coonhunter told me "son in order to be a good dog trainer you have to be smarter than the dog". He was right.

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msinc

I too thought maybe squirrel's were just an excuse for my dog also. Then one day I deciced too take him out in daytime and see what happened. WELL needless to say they were not an excuse but a HUGE problem. This dam dog would get treed all over the place and guess what some times with or without a squirrel. I would keep my distance so he could not see me and procedded to electrocuting him on every tree he made the first day. the second day every time he opened is mouth he got fried, by the time the third day rolled around he hunted for 2.5 hours and covered an unreal amount of ground and guess what no barks. Well as a spring 1 year old I made to the semifinals at the superstakes without a single minus tree. You tell me if those boogers are not the problem with super tree minded dogs of today.