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New english blood or Old blood?

What kind of blood do you like better for the english dogs? if you have an english dog what is it out of?

The blood with all the walker in it

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Oh man. You ask this question to ten different English breeders and you'll get ten different answers.

I will try and put some of my experience in perspective as I hunted English in the late eighties through the nineties. I retired from hunting to raise my young kids between 2000 and 2012 and am now back to hunting English again.

Now my experience since I returned to hunting is limited as I have not participated in a lot of hunts to get a good feel of today's English dogs, but what I have seen is a lack of nose and that's with all breeds. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I haven't drawn a dog in a hunt yet that struck a colder track, worked it up and put a tree on the end. Twenty years ago, I treed some mighty big coon that dogs would work the track up from being cold, drive the track once they got it warm and forced the coon to climb in the end. While not good for competition, it was an accomplishment to tree these old tough coon.

Another thing that has changed is dogs are a lot tighter on the ground than the dogs of the past. That could go hand in hand with the amount of nose they have though. They are also a lot more independent than they used to be. Twenty years ago you could turn a cast loose and gather them a lot of times on the same tree. Now, you turn a cast loose and your probably going to walk to four separate trees.

It's a matter of preference really and what goals you have in mind as a breeder. I think if you try and breed for a combination by mixing some of the strong traits of old (nose, track power and accuracy) with the strong traits of the new blood (independence and tree power) you will have a pretty good balance.

JMO. I hope others will chime in on the subject as I am far from an expert on the "new" blood.

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Ya me and my cousin have two english females his is 3 years old and mine is 7 1/2 months old and they both will run a cold truck just as hard and fast as some dogs run hot tracks and some of these tracks are so cold some dogs wont even open on them!

The old dog ( Thunder St. Nick X Fosters Little Frosty ) I started with would open on track and I liked that and the two I have now are good dogs but neither of them open on track just locate and tree. I don't like having to use the Garmin to see which direction they are going.

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Like you, I gave it up in 97 and got back in 2009 and like you said these dogs of today don't pack as they use to but I like it, Not real crazy about the real deep I have 1 that is most always alone deep or split but does have a gd nose and knows how to find a coon but has tightened up a lot on track do to competition I believe, and age. But do like a cold to medium nosed dog that will get gone on a track and lay up coons also, am trying to build on some old blood, they were track driving, colder nosed hounds with brains to use it, cut over specialist that treed coons.

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I'd say the new blood is pretty good. 2 of the last 3 world champs were English.

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I started with English in.......o geez I think 84? maybe 83..somewhere in that range anyway.

Direct from Mr Kelly Stagner (platte valley) himself. and hunted with Nick Olster a lot...my first dozen or so English came from one of those or the other. all the dogs from Nick came through a littermate brother to Tenbooks Blue Queen...the dogs from Kelly were mostly sired from one of the Spikes (he had several with that name and a number over the years)think that was the stud at the time anyway

the last English (or hound of any breed for that matter) I owned was duel grand Looser (duel grand thompsons frankenstine x duel grand thompsons cry baby)

I agree with Freddy in that the dogs of today don't pack well lol, but imo in the old days those suckers packed TOO WELL.

over the years I developed a huge respect for the Bingo dogs of Larry Wilcox. and also imo Bingo was the best English producer of all time...at least the dog who passed on more of the traits I loved per pup anyway.

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