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Posted by tg3375 on 04-04-2014 07:39 PM:

Closed tree?

4 dog cast with A-D struck in that order. A and B treed right after each other to the right 40 yards. C treed to the left 30 yards 1 minute later. D is then treed with A and B before the 5 minutes are run out. Since all dogs are treed the handlers start towards their respective dogs. Handler of C is right beside tree and getting ready to leash when A and B dog come to the C tree. Handler A retrees his dog, while B does not. D leaves its tree but is on trail. After all cast members are at C's tree and starting to shine then D comes into tree. Was C's tree closed and did handler C cause interference? How would you score this if the tree was circle, minus or plus? I know the minuses on the first tree for A, B , and D but the rest?


Posted by prostockpat on 04-04-2014 08:48 PM:

closed tree

If your at the tree and shining tree is close i'd say.

for dog D that comes in AFTER cast arrives{closed tree};
minus strike if coon is seen
circle strike if tree is minused or circled
nothing on tree as dog was not declared treed as tree was closed

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Posted by Pigeon on 04-04-2014 08:54 PM:

I'll take a stab
A tree 125- , 125- strike pending
B tree -75 strike pending
D tree -50 strike pending

Score strike according to prostockpat

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Posted by John D on 04-04-2014 09:25 PM:

Re: Closed tree?

For scoring purposes it will need to be determined exactly WHEN Dogs A&B came in to Dog C's tree. Was it before or after the "judge arrived"? I'm going to assume they came in AFTER the judge arrived.

Circle tree:
A 100 strike circled/125 tree minus/125 tree minus (for treeing his dog AFTER a tree is closed)
B 75 strike circled/75 tree minus
C 50 strike circled/125 tree circle
D 25 strike cricled/50 tree minus

Plus tree:
A 100 strike minus/125 tree minus/125 tree minus (for treeing his dog AFTER a tree is closed)
B 75 strike minus/75 tree minus
C 50 strike plus /125 tree plus
D 25 strike minus/50 tree minus

Minus tree:
A 100 strike circled/125 tree minus/125 tree minus (for treeing his dog AFTER a tree is closed)
B 75 strike circled/75 tree minus
C 50 strike minus/125 tree minus
D 25 strike circled/50 tree minus

How would Handler C have interfered? Did he not handle his dog, upon instruction from the judge?

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Posted by tg3375 on 04-04-2014 09:39 PM:

Re: Closed tree?

quote:
Originally posted by tg3375
4 dog cast with A-D struck in that order. A and B treed right after each other to the right 40 yards. C treed to the left 30 yards 1 minute later. D is then treed with A and B before the 5 minutes are run out. Since all dogs are treed the handlers start towards their respective dogs. Handler of C is right beside tree and getting ready to leash when A and B dog come to the C tree. Handler A retrees his dog, while B does not. D leaves its tree but is on trail. After all cast members are at C's tree and starting to shine then D comes into tree. Was C's tree closed and did handler C cause interference? How would you score this if the tree was circle, minus or plus? I know the minuses on the first tree for A, B , and D but the rest?

My guess for the circle= A has another -125 because tree was closed his strike is circled, B has circle strike, and D has circle strike. If tree was minused= A -125 for tree closed, split next available with dog B and -62.5 and -100strike, B split next available tree with -62.5 and strike -75, D just 25 circled on strike. If tree is plussed= A still has -125 for tree that was closed and gets -100 on strike, B gets -75 on strike, and D gets -25 strike. Or is this all wrong and there is interference by handler C????


Posted by tg3375 on 04-04-2014 09:45 PM:

Re: Re: Closed tree?

quote:
Originally posted by John D
For scoring purposes it will need to be determined exactly WHEN Dogs A&B came in to Dog C's tree. Was it before or after the "judge arrived"? I'm going to assume they came in AFTER the judge arrived.

Circle tree:
A 100 strike circled/125 tree minus/125 tree minus (for treeing his dog AFTER a tree is closed)
B 75 strike circled/75 tree minus
C 50 strike circled/125 tree circle
D 25 strike cricled/50 tree minus

Plus tree:
A 100 strike minus/125 tree minus/125 tree minus (for treeing his dog AFTER a tree is closed)
B 75 strike minus/75 tree minus
C 50 strike plus /125 tree plus
D 25 strike minus/50 tree minus

Minus tree:
A 100 strike circled/125 tree minus/125 tree minus (for treeing his dog AFTER a tree is closed)
B 75 strike circled/75 tree minus
C 50 strike minus/125 tree minus
D 25 strike circled/50 tree minus

How would Handler C have interfered? Did he not handle his dog, upon instruction from the judge?



Handler C was not the judge and dog A and B came to the tree before the judge/ guide got there. Thanks for helping me on this.


Posted by GA DAWG on 04-04-2014 11:38 PM:

How was it scored?

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Posted by tg3375 on 04-05-2014 02:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
How was it scored?

The tree was a circle and I think it was scored wrong. All dogs got circle on that tree and on track. Dog A did not get minused for being called treed on C's tree. Since all dogs were treed I presume all trees are closed? Thats the major part of my question.


Posted by patches9452 on 04-05-2014 05:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by tg3375
The tree was a circle and I think it was scored wrong. All dogs got circle on that tree and on track. Dog A did not get minused for being called treed on C's tree. Since all dogs were treed I presume all trees are closed? Thats the major part of my question.
you are correct in assuming that. He should have been minused


Posted by Ky Show Girl on 04-06-2014 07:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by tg3375
The tree was a circle and I think it was scored wrong. All dogs got circle on that tree and on track. Dog A did not get minused for being called treed on C's tree. Since all dogs were treed I presume all trees are closed? Thats the major part of my question.


11a or 11c


Posted by tg3375 on 04-06-2014 01:37 PM:

11c -does having all dogs treed and one on a split make the 2 trees closed if one should leave and go to the others tree?


Posted by john Duemmer on 04-06-2014 02:19 PM:

Seems the only real ? is weather 5b applies to dog A when handler C was at that tree before dog A arrived? Doesnt seem right that dog A.s score depends on weather or not handler C was the judge.

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Posted by LoggyBayouBlues on 04-06-2014 05:18 PM:

Handler C ?.

How did Handler C interfere? Did C shine before shining time started? Did C squall before the seven minutes were up, because you said Dog D went back on the track, and then came to Dog C's tree.

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Posted by tg3375 on 04-06-2014 06:22 PM:

Dog A and B went directly to C's tree just as handler C got to the tree. Handler C did not shine or squall and was planning on going to the first tree where the rest of the cast was. If the tree was not closed could it be considered interference? If it is closed then A should get a 125- on C's tree. Dog D was on track until the whole cast got there, so he would only get minus on track if coon was seen.


Posted by patches9452 on 04-06-2014 07:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by tg3375
Dog A and B went directly to C's tree just as handler C got to the tree. Handler C did not shine or squall and was planning on going to the first tree where the rest of the cast was. If the tree was not closed could it be considered interference? If it is closed then A should get a 125- on C's tree. Dog D was on track until the whole cast got there, so he would only get minus on track if coon was seen.
tree was closed as soon as all dogs were treed no matter how little time it took. Anything that moved should be minused and if retreed on a closed tree minused again


Posted by berger on 04-06-2014 08:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
tree was closed as soon as all dogs were treed no matter how little time it took. Anything that moved should be minused and if retreed on a closed tree minused again


correct answer

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Posted by tg3375 on 04-07-2014 02:25 PM:

That is mainly what I was wondering if the tree was closed. Is John B correct in all the scoring then? Or do some points need to be split?


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