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Posted by hootowlman on 03-25-2014 09:30 PM:

Is anyone honest anymore?

Well guys, mine and dads old dog died a few weeks ago. Some of you all may have seen the post I put up, But any who. I have been looking for a 4 or 5 year old male settled in coon hound to replace him. I have looked on here and on several coon hunting groups on facebook in my area. Well, I don't like to bad mouth anyone, But from what I have seen its no wonder coon hunters have a bad name to many. With people wanting war prices for trash and cull dogs. I have contacted a few on dogs I was interested in. Its all the same, He's the best dog in the world. Well, if he's that good why are you getting rid of him and why no trial? Almost got took on a 4 year old grnitech dog I asked the guy for a trial, Was told only way I will is with cash in hand paid in full. I was going to do it and another guy contacted me and wrote. Man, I had this dog. I raised him from a pup and made him a grnitech and sold him to a guy which sold him to the guy you are communicating with. Here is the full story on the dog. I put him in a hunt and the dogs treed. He jumped on another dog at the tree and almost killed it. So I sold him. Now I know why he wanted cash upfront paid in full and I would have been screwed. Is no one honest anymore? No wonder hunters have a bad name. Thanks for letting me vent.

Posted by patches9452 on 03-25-2014 09:40 PM:

Seems you have two options. Pay war price for a good dog and go try it with them along or get a pup and train yourself and see why people ask a bunch for one when it turns out. Seems that everyone wants to try on their own turf and there ain't no way I'm letting a top dog out to someone I don't know even with money in hand. Just to much stuff can happen

Posted by stevenbry86 on 03-25-2014 10:09 PM:

geez

keep your head up theres good guys out there that sell dogs and i would never pay big money for a dog without a trial and i would always want to go with the seller most of them will take u multiple times and if someone doesnt want to show him in the woods then theres usually somthing to hide and never buy a dog that has two prices!

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-25-2014 10:44 PM:

Let me recommend another option. Think outside the box. Go hunting with lots of people and lots of dogs all around in your area. Do not look for a dog "for sale". Do not look in the classifieds. Just go hunting with lots of folks. When you see what you want , and you can easily tell its what you like, talk to the owner and make an offer or ask him what he would take . Just my opinion.

Posted by PineHill Kennel on 03-25-2014 11:28 PM:

Re: Is anyone honest anymore?

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Originally posted by hootowlman
Well guys, mine and dads old dog died a few weeks ago. Some of you all may have seen the post I put up, But any who. I have been looking for a 4 or 5 year old male settled in coon hound to replace him. I have looked on here and on several coon hunting groups on facebook in my area. Well, I don't like to bad mouth anyone, But from what I have seen its no wonder coon hunters have a bad name to many. With people wanting war prices for trash and cull dogs. I have contacted a few on dogs I was interested in. Its all the same, He's the best dog in the world. Well, if he's that good why are you getting rid of him and why no trial? Almost got took on a 4 year old grnitech dog I asked the guy for a trial, Was told only way I will is with cash in hand paid in full. I was going to do it and another guy contacted me and wrote. Man, I had this dog. I raised him from a pup and made him a grnitech and sold him to a guy which sold him to the guy you are communicating with. Here is the full story on the dog. I put him in a hunt and the dogs treed. He jumped on another dog at the tree and almost killed it. So I sold him. Now I know why he wanted cash upfront paid in full and I would have been screwed. Is no one honest anymore? No wonder hunters have a bad name. Thanks for letting me vent.

I can't belive the guy who owned the dog didnt have him put down guess I am just different if he was my dog he never would have been sold but thats just me I hope they didnt breed the dog good luck in your search finding a new hound and as the Amish would say watch them english people

Posted by mauser06 on 03-25-2014 11:30 PM:

On the flip side I hate buyers that a trial....
Do you get to drive a car around for a week or 2 while you decide if you like it???? Live in a house a week or 2?? Wanna trial on a rifle before you buy it?

It just don't make sense...I considered selling my dog and had a guy that wanted to buy it...he wanted a trial for a couple weeks...sorry guy..that ain't happening..

How will you treat it? How will you feed it? Where will you keep it? What happens if he gets hit on the road? Bit by a snake? Lost? Stolen? A trial IMO just doesn't make sense..

Put on your boots and light and come hunting..I will meet you a reasonable distance...I will go a couple nights if you ain't kickin tires..that's fair in my book...why do you need MY dog for a week or 2? I don't have a magic button to make him tree coon when he is hunting with me..what you see is what you will get....

Also gotta realize I can 100000% promise my dog won't hunt well on a trial for a period of time...he is MY dog..he loves ME...I feed him..I am his buddy..I've seen it with numerous dogs through my life...I seen one that hunted OK a night or 2 when I went with my friend and that dog..then he just quit doing much of anything...took a few hunts and he did a nice job from then on out...till i took him alone..then he wouldn't do much for a few nights till he got used to me...then we were a heck of a team...

I agree...there's a chunk of dishonest folks out there...sad a mans word and handshakes are nearly worthless anymore...

But..gotta look at the trial issue from MY point of view as well...I'd imagine I ain't the only guy that feels that way...

I don't wanna sell my dog..ever..but if I did my honest reason is lack of time and place...right now he lives at my friends farm...I gotta head out now and feed him..I might be starting a new job and who knows if I can take him with me...all I know is I sure hope so and will try harder than anything to make sure he can come..it'd be hard to sell him..

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Posted by dixiedog on 03-25-2014 11:58 PM:

I bought a 5 yr old Nite Ch Walker Male off a guy the other day and the dog was better than described to me on the phone. The guy was honest as honest can be. I know they are hard to find but this guy was very honest and I didn't pay a war price either.

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-26-2014 12:03 AM:

I dont need to hunt one on trail. A couple nights with the owner and Im good. If I sale one. Its not going out on trail either. I'll take you 7 nights anyway you wanna see it go but it want leave my place without being paid for in full.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-26-2014 12:25 AM:

I wont buy one without a trial, unless its a dog i have hunted with a bunch. No one really knows what a dog is after 1 or 2 nights.
If im gonna trust the seller holdin my cash, hes gonna trust me holdin his dog. In a week he can start spendin it.

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Posted by ole hoss on 03-26-2014 12:33 AM:

Ive never lied about a dog in order to sale it and wont start today. If i got a dog for sale everybody is welcome to come and go with it as many nights as they want. Its gonna do exactly what i said it would cause im gonna describe it off its bad nights. All dogs have them. As far as letting someone take him on a trial it aint happening. I have nothin to hide but ive seen good dogs get ruined in a week. I tell you right now though if i got what i call a good dog it would be high. You think about the price you pay for a pup and then you pay his paper work up both ways and then you put all your time in training him. Pups are a headache and i know cause thats what i hunt. I got a 10 month old i started when he was 6 months old and ive turned down $3500 for him. Crazy? Maybe but ive put alot into him and i cant find one like him. Good ones aint for sale. If they are you have to dig deep to get them. Get you a good pup and start over. Make it how you want it.

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Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 02:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mauser06
On the flip side I hate buyers that a trial....
Do you get to drive a car around for a week or 2 while you decide if you like it???? Live in a house a week or 2?? Wanna trial on a rifle before you buy it?

It just don't make sense...I considered selling my dog and had a guy that wanted to buy it...he wanted a trial for a couple weeks...sorry guy..that ain't happening..

How will you treat it? How will you feed it? Where will you keep it? What happens if he gets hit on the road? Bit by a snake? Lost? Stolen? A trial IMO just doesn't make sense..

Put on your boots and light and come hunting..I will meet you a reasonable distance...I will go a couple nights if you ain't kickin tires..that's fair in my book...why do you need MY dog for a week or 2? I don't have a magic button to make him tree coon when he is hunting with me..what you see is what you will get....

Also gotta realize I can 100000% promise my dog won't hunt well on a trial for a period of time...he is MY dog..he loves ME...I feed him..I am his buddy..I've seen it with numerous dogs through my life...I seen one that hunted OK a night or 2 when I went with my friend and that dog..then he just quit doing much of anything...took a few hunts and he did a nice job from then on out...till i took him alone..then he wouldn't do much for a few nights till he got used to me...then we were a heck of a team...

I agree...there's a chunk of dishonest folks out there...sad a mans word and handshakes are nearly worthless anymore...

But..gotta look at the trial issue from MY point of view as well...I'd imagine I ain't the only guy that feels that way...

I don't wanna sell my dog..ever..but if I did my honest reason is lack of time and place...right now he lives at my friends farm...I gotta head out now and feed him..I might be starting a new job and who knows if I can take him with me...all I know is I sure hope so and will try harder than anything to make sure he can come..it'd be hard to sell him..

I agree with you a 100% but this guy didn't want to even show the dog without cash in his hand. All I asked of him was to show the dog in the woods. Then pay the guy for the dog if I liked what it did. Then him give me a guarantee of a week to get my money back on said hound. Because we all know a dog may hunt great one night and not do crap the next. I didn't think that was to much to ask and have done it before myself on hounds I have sold. If the dog gets gone or killed or whatever while in my possession he has his money and its a done deal.If the dog is what it is supposed to be and the man is honest. The dog wouldn't be brought back anyway. When I ask to show a dog or for a trial Its so I don't get screwed and If a guy don't want to show the hound then you can guarantee something is fishy. I been hunting for 22 years this aint my first rodeo.....

Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 03:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
Ive never lied about a dog in order to sale it and wont start today. If i got a dog for sale everybody is welcome to come and go with it as many nights as they want. Its gonna do exactly what i said it would cause im gonna describe it off its bad nights. All dogs have them. As far as letting someone take him on a trial it aint happening. I have nothin to hide but ive seen good dogs get ruined in a week. I tell you right now though if i got what i call a good dog it would be high. You think about the price you pay for a pup and then you pay his paper work up both ways and then you put all your time in training him. Pups are a headache and i know cause thats what i hunt. I got a 10 month old i started when he was 6 months old and ive turned down $3500 for him. Crazy? Maybe but ive put alot into him and i cant find one like him. Good ones aint for sale. If they are you have to dig deep to get them. Get you a good pup and start over. Make it how you want it.

I heard that, I have got a pup and have trained a few. You sir are exactly right pups are a pain the a$$. It takes a lot of time and effort to make a good hound. I'm looking for a good hound to run my pups with to get them started then single them out. As someone stated above I know where a few hounds are that I hunt with a lot that I would like to have. But they aren't for sale. I know what you are talking about also on turning down good money for a hound. I turned down $2000 for our old hound about a month before he died .I knew when I started looking for dad and myself that replacing the old hound we had wasn't going to be easy. Good coondogs that do exactly what you like every time are few and far between.

Posted by ole hoss on 03-26-2014 03:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by hootowlman
I agree with you a 100% but this guy didn't want to even show the dog without cash in his hand. All I asked of him was to show the dog in the woods. Then pay the guy for the dog if I liked what it did. Then him give me a guarantee of a week to get my money back on said hound. Because we all know a dog may hunt great one night and not do crap the next. I didn't think that was to much to ask and have done it before myself on hounds I have sold. If the dog gets gone or killed or whatever while in my possession he has his money and its a done deal.If the dog is what it is supposed to be and the man is honest. The dog wouldn't be brought back anyway. When I ask to show a dog or for a trial Its so I don't get screwed and If a guy don't want to show the hound then you can guarantee something is fishy. I been hunting for 22 years this aint my first rodeo.....

Most the time i agree with you but we dont see eye to eye on this one. He should have showed the dog but as far as giveing you a week gurantee i wouldnt do that. Id take you out with him a month straight every night if you wanted to but once he leaves in your truck hes yours. Jmo though and some would agree and some wouldnt.

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Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 03:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
Most the time i agree with you but we dont see eye to eye on this one. He should have showed the dog but as far as giveing you a week gurantee i wouldnt do that. Id take you out with him a month straight every night if you wanted to but once he leaves in your truck hes yours. Jmo though and some would agree and some wouldnt.

See, I could have lived with that. But this was a put cash in my hand before we take the dog out and if you like him he's yours. I'm just not comfortable handing over that kind of cash to someone I don't know on his turf. Before I have even had a chance to see what a dog will do. He has the cash after that and they are way to many crazies and drug heads in this world. If he would have done what you just stated and let me go hunting with him a few nights. I would have bought the dog if it was what he said it was after hunting with it a few nights. I see both sides man but this was a bad deal from the get go. There is no way I'm going to put cash in your hand and then go somewhere that I have no clue where we are at in the woods with someone I don't know and them have my cash....

Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 03:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I dont need to hunt one on trail. A couple nights with the owner and Im good. If I sale one. Its not going out on trail either. I'll take you 7 nights anyway you wanna see it go but it want leave my place without being paid for in full.

I could live with that. I would have done that with this guy and had no problem with it. But he wanted to be paid before we left to hunt the dog and then I could see if it was what I wanted. After the original owner contacted me the dog was a grand nite champ but had almost killed another dog in a hunt while at the tree, No wonder he wanted cash up front.

Posted by ole hoss on 03-26-2014 03:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by hootowlman
See, I could have lived with that. But this was a put cash in my hand before we take the dog out and if you like him he's yours. I'm just not comfortable handing over that kind of cash to someone I don't know on his turf. Before I have even had a chance to see what a dog will do. He has the cash after that and they are way to many crazies and drug heads in this world. If he would have done what you just stated and let me go hunting with him a few nights. I would have bought the dog if it was what he said it was after hunting with it a few nights. I see both sides man but this was a bad deal from the get go. There is no way I'm going to put cash in your hand and then go somewhere that I have no clue where we are at in the woods with someone I don't know and them have my cash....

No you keep your cash were you want. Ill just show you the dog. If you like it then you can give me the money if not then no hard feelings we had a good hunt. Id be hunting anyway so it wouldnt be a big deal to me if you didnt buy him. Your right i wouldnt put my money in no ones hands unless i wanted the dog.

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Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 03:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
No you keep your cash were you want. Ill just show you the dog. If you like it then you can give me the money if not then no hard feelings we had a good hunt. Id be hunting anyway so it wouldnt be a big deal to me if you didnt buy him. Your right i wouldnt put my money in no ones hands unless i wanted the dog.

10-4 You see what I'm saying now. I would have been more than happy to drive an hour for a few nights to check the dog out and then buy him or he could have came and hunted with me in a few of my spots. But he wanted cash before anything.

Posted by ole hoss on 03-26-2014 03:46 AM:

You couldnt pay me enough to hunt your spots. Lol id give you the dog before i walked up those mountains to get him. He probably couldnt tree one up their anyway. At least id hope he wouldnt cause im not going up their to get him. Lol

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Posted by blackflagginit on 03-26-2014 04:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
No you keep your cash were you want. Ill just show you the dog. If you like it then you can give me the money if not then no hard feelings we had a good hunt. Id be hunting anyway so it wouldnt be a big deal to me if you didnt buy him. Your right i wouldnt put my money in no ones hands unless i wanted the dog.

that's the way I did it. all the trial you want HERE sorta deal...though in truth only I think 3 were ever sold from here other than pups.....most of the ones I didn't like just didn't make it out of the woods

most people will tell you that they have pups or dogs "out there" who were never paid for or never paid for in full......and that's why the "all the trial you want here" deal came to be

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Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 04:03 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
You couldnt pay me enough to hunt your spots. Lol id give you the dog before i walked up those mountains to get him. He probably couldnt tree one up their anyway. At least id hope he wouldnt cause im not going up their to get him. Lol

So you got any good coon dogs for sale. We can hunt a few of my spots as a trail.......LOL you can't beat free any day of the week.

Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 04:05 AM:

Posted by mauser06 on 03-26-2014 04:06 AM:

Got ya now....I wouldn't ask for, take or touch your money till you were ready to load him in your box...

Possibly trying to curb tire kicking/someone interested but only going to offer 1/4 of the price etc...? Who knows...a little odd to request cash in hand to hunt with him and the dog...

Heck..if someone wanted see some trackman dogs just for fun? Put your boots and light on and let's go..don't got a light? I got a spare..

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Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 04:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mauser06
Got ya now....I wouldn't ask for, take or touch your money till you were ready to load him in your box...

Possibly trying to curb tire kicking/someone interested but only going to offer 1/4 of the price etc...? Who knows...a little odd to request cash in hand to hunt with him and the dog...

Heck..if someone wanted see some trackman dogs just for fun? Put your boots and light on and let's go..don't got a light? I got a spare..

That's the way I am too. I have invited many on here to come hunt the steep mountians of east KY and so far no takers. I have hunted with a few trackman dogs and the old dog we had was supposed to be off of him but who knows. I bought him as a grade dog. From what I have seen of the ones I have hunted with I like them. Heres a pic of my old hound that passed.....

Posted by ole hoss on 03-26-2014 04:17 AM:

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Originally posted by hootowlman
So you got any good coon dogs for sale. We can hunt a few of my spots as a trail.......LOL you can't beat free any day of the week.

Buddy i wouldnt know what a good coon dog was i dont think. Ive been hunting a 10 month old pup all winter long. Been to a few local hunts and to be honest i havent seen a coon dog yet. I am a little hard to please and i like the pup pretty well. I like one that gets his mouth open quick and keeps it open and can get through the country and get alone. And when he trees i expect to see a coon. I also like a big mouth hound. Bawl on track and a locate that makes your hair stand up. My pup has it all but the mouth. I guess you cant have everything you want. Lol

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Posted by hootowlman on 03-26-2014 04:36 AM:

I heard that man. I guess that's why I liked the old dog so much. He was a bawl on track death bawl locate circle then chop on tree and would stay put all night if needed. He didn't have much of a mouth either. But if he opened on track it went up somewhere either hole or tree. He knew how to finish a track and wouldn't boohoo all night. We had him almost 2 years and 1 time I went to him and it was slick or I couldn't find it anyway. If they treed and it was a possum he would meet you at the truck when you pulled up or if he seen lights. We always hunted him with dads other dog which is good on a hot track but would hang with the old dog on a cold track. When the young dog opened we knew it wouldn't be long and the young dog has got a train horn for a mouth. Man hes loud. So if you couldn't hear the old dog on tree. You couldn't miss the young dog. I got a 9 month old female that has a horn too but she isn't treeing or running track yet. But will go with the other dogs. I figure it won't be long before she Is opening up. The other night she got out there about 900 yards while the others were running track. She followed every step they made but never opened up. They holed up and came back.

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