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Posted by dustin15 on 03-20-2014 07:46 AM:

Not filling in time used?

Is it a scratch able offense to not put two hours used in the time box?

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Posted by msinc on 03-20-2014 11:09 AM:

If the other times were there and it added up to the required 2 hours I would ask if it was an honest mistake. I don't believe I would scratch the whole cast if it appeared to just be a mistake. But, it depends on the MOH...if the other times didn't add up and the 2 hour spot was blank I'm afraid there isn't much choice. The time has to be right and there isn't really a lot of wiggle room on that.

Posted by elvis on 03-20-2014 12:08 PM:

really?

Posted by Shane M on 03-20-2014 12:56 PM:

Don't have to write anything in the time box it is for the judge to use if wanted.

Posted by JiM on 03-20-2014 03:23 PM:

What time box? Do you guys know what a scorecard looks like? There is no time box.

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Posted by JiM on 03-20-2014 03:26 PM:

http://res.ukcdogs.com/pdf/2014CoonhoundScorecard.pdf

Notes box, no time keeping box.

Posted by berger on 03-20-2014 03:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
really?

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Posted by dustin15 on 03-20-2014 03:58 PM:

Ok the notes box smart ass. A cast came in with the " notes box" blank. I always thought that meant scratch the whole cast but a guy brought a card back with it blank and wrote a formal complaint and everything about it so I just wondered.

Posted by K. Singletary on 03-20-2014 04:01 PM:

Dustin15, you don't have to write anything in that box. When I'm judging, I leave it blank. If the cast winner wants to write 120 minutes used in the box that is up to him/her but when I win, I don't write anything in the box.

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Posted by dustin15 on 03-20-2014 04:07 PM:

Thanks for answering my question mr singletary

Posted by shorecooner on 03-20-2014 04:19 PM:

On the right hand side of the new scorecards, there is a small box for each dog. In that box there is a place for the time used, each dogs score, and each handlers initials. I make it a point to have each handler verify that is correct, and initialed before we leave the woods. I also use the big box at the top for my notes, then at the end of the night, I make a delete line through each note, then write 120 minutes used in big print, and circle that. Never had any questions regarding time by doing that.

Also if a handler is scratched, or withdraws, I will tally all the dogs scores, and that handlers time used, and fill that in on his dogs box, before he signs the card and leaves the cast.

Here's a link to a PDF of the 2014 Scorecard so you can see what I'm talking about. http://res.ukcdogs.com/pdf/2014CoonhoundScorecard.pdf

Posted by K. Singletary on 03-20-2014 04:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shorecooner
On the right hand side of the new scorecards, there is a small box for each dog. In that box there is a place for the time used, each dogs score, and each handlers initials. I make it a point to have each handler verify that is correct, and initialed before we leave the woods. I also use the big box at the top for my notes, then at the end of the night, I make a delete line through each note, then write 120 minutes used in big print, and circle that. Never had any questions regarding time by doing that.

Also if a handler is scratched, or withdraws, I will tally all the dogs scores, and that handlers time used, and fill that in on his dogs box, before he signs the card and leaves the cast.

Here's a link to a PDF of the 2014 Scorecard so you can see what I'm talking about. http://res.ukcdogs.com/pdf/2014CoonhoundScorecard.pdf

That time used section on the scorecard is only if they leave the cast early. It does not have to be filled out if a handler remains with the cast for the entire time. It was also on the old scorecards, but it was on the left hand side of the card instead of the right hand side.

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Posted by dustin15 on 03-20-2014 04:33 PM:

I always use a countdown and write 120 min used. I just didn't know if it was required. I'll continue to do it that way. Just wondered the rule on it.

Posted by Allen / UKC on 03-20-2014 05:49 PM:

dustin,

Officially.... Handlers signing the scorecard, without question noted, meets the criteria and verifies that the correct amount of time was used in the hunt. Making note of how much time was hunted is not required.

Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-20-2014 10:16 PM:

Is initials in small box on the right on the new cards for judge initials?

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 03-20-2014 10:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hunter Reese
Is initials in small box on the right on the new cards for judge initials?

Should be the handler that left the cast placing his initials in that box.

Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-20-2014 11:03 PM:

In case of scratch or wd... So the judge fills out hunt time used and each dogs current score.. But the handler has to sign signature and then initial in the small box to the right?

Posted by msinc on 03-20-2014 11:03 PM:

Originally posted by Elvis
Really

quote:
Originally posted by berger
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Are both of you saying that you:

1. Competed in a UKC hunt.

2. Did not get scratched for something else or minus out.

3. Did not hunt the full two hours.

4. Did not get scratched for not hunting the full time.

Really??????????????????

or:

Brought in a scorecard that did not have the time right and the MOH could not determine if the cast hunted the full two hours and the entire cast did not get scratched??????????

Really??????????????????

Page 99 of the "Coonhound Advisor" says: These situations render a timecard incomplete/Scratch scorecard if:
Time hunted is not referenced in note keeping box.

Posted by msinc on 03-20-2014 11:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Allen / UKC
dustin,

Officially.... Handlers signing the scorecard, without question noted, meets the criteria and verifies that the correct amount of time was used in the hunt. Making note of how much time was hunted is not required.

Then why does the Coonhound Advisor on page 99 under the heading "Incomplete vs. Not Considered Incomplete" say to scratch the scorecard for "time hunted not referenced in note keeping box." ???????????????????

Posted by Pat Bizich on 03-21-2014 12:52 AM:

When the new Advisor came out I picked mine up at Autumn Oaks where it was first available.When I got home Sunday night I caught the error .So figure within a couple days of the book being out I actually posted on this forum calling attention to it.
That is EXACTLY what it is ....A PRINTING ERROR.
if I can find my post I will bring up the URL for it.

I found my post...Read the last one by Allen.....

http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...threadid=374433

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Posted by msinc on 03-22-2014 08:51 PM:

Thanks for point this out...seems like UKC would address the mistake. This was known and called to someone's attention some time ago...why haven't they done some sort of follow up??? Like post it in a sticky on the forum and write a corrective sheet to add to the Advisor.

Posted by Surveyor on 03-22-2014 09:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dustin15
Ok the notes box smart ass. A cast came in with the " notes box" blank. I always thought that meant scratch the whole cast but a guy brought a card back with it blank and wrote a formal complaint and everything about it so I just wondered.

I am familiar with this situation because the guy called me that night and said the MOH scratched him because his scorecard did not have a hunt time used and he wanted to know if he should fill out a formal complaint=yes, he can't loose and hopefully that MOH will brush up on the rules a little better from now on!

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 03-22-2014 09:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by msinc
Thanks for point this out...seems like UKC would address the mistake. This was known and called to someone's attention some time ago...why haven't they done some sort of follow up??? Like post it in a sticky on the forum and write a corrective sheet to add to the Advisor.

They did about 4 years ago when the mistake was discovered.

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Posted by msinc on 03-22-2014 09:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The Seeker
They did about 4 years ago when the mistake was discovered.

And they are still charging money for that document???? 4 years ago they made a mistake that has probably gotten how many dogs scratched and they are still providing the incorrect information to people and charging money for it????? That is beyond pitiful!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by mauser06 on 03-23-2014 01:13 AM:

What DOES need to be on a winning score card??

I believe the cast winners scores need filled out and the CWs initials or signature....nothing else right???

There's a misconception that every little thing needs filled out...and guys have had cards thrown out because a cast member didn't sign it or put down 120 used or coon seen etc....

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