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Posted by hootowlman on 02-26-2014 06:55 AM:

Another good night in Pike CO KY

Me, dad, my brother in law and his son took the dogs out tonight and dads 2.5 year old walker put this big old boar up the tree. Then we dropped and treed another bore and knocked it out to the pups. I didn't take any pics of the second one it was late and dad had to work in the morning. This is my brother in laws son with the first one ol Pete got....Not bad for Pike co KY. This makes 9 coons we have treed in the last week and a half and knocked 4 of them out. Boys they are on the move in KY after a long dry spell and loosing the best dog we had we are starting to put a few up the tree.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 02-26-2014 09:41 AM:

Dude they are your coon.....and you are free to do with them as you please, but if I had to hunt a week and a half to tree 9 coon, the LAST thing I would do is kill one.....

I've never understood that. Yes...I kill coon, but on a good night we can tree nine and be home to watch David Letterman!

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Posted by Jordan120 on 02-26-2014 10:32 AM:

Down here in wv and ky there ain't coon like up in Ohio and Indiana if you tree 9 in a week your a smoking

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Posted by Bucksaw Kennels on 02-26-2014 03:58 PM:

Them ol Boars are definitely on the move but don't come sneaking around and hunting my spots when you kill all the easy ones that will climb.

Posted by hootowlman on 02-26-2014 08:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
Dude they are your coon.....and you are free to do with them as you please, but if I had to hunt a week and a half to tree 9 coon, the LAST thing I would do is kill one.....

I've never understood that. Yes...I kill coon, but on a good night we can tree nine and be home to watch David Letterman!

Dude notice I said we had treed 9 and shot out 4. There for leaving 5 to run and seed....Here in east Ky we have a small population of coon and if you tree 9 in a week and a half you are burning them up. Also the season ends here Friday. So I knocked a few out to dads dog and my pups and skinned them to make drags to prank with the pups...I know people around here that kill every coon they tree not me....You know as good as I do you got to put coons out on pups and expose them to coons to make anything out of them. Dads 2.5 year old is just now settling in and I have pups.

Posted by hootowlman on 02-26-2014 08:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bucksaw Kennels
Them ol Boars are definitely on the move but don't come sneaking around and hunting my spots when you kill all the easy ones that will climb.

No problem man, I don't hunt out of pike county anyway. I also don't shot every coon I tree. You have got to leave some to rebuild the population.....If I didn't have my pups last night I wouldn't have killed any of them.....

Posted by ole hoss on 02-26-2014 08:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hootowlman
Dude notice I said we had treed 9 and shot out 4. There for leaving 5 to run and seed....Here in east Ky we have a small population of coon and if you tree 9 in a week and a half you are burning them up and have pretty dang good dogs. Also the season ends here Friday. So I knocked a few out to my dogs and pups and skinned them to make drags to prank with the pups...I know people around here that kill every coon they tree not me....You know as good as I do you got to put coons out on pups and expose them to coons to make anything out of them. Dads 2.5 year old is just now settling in and I have pups.

I have a 10 month old pup that tracks and trees his own and i bet he aint seen 5 coons. I dont beleive a dog needs alot of coons. I might shoot one a month if that. I like to tree them. But i know people that shoot every coon they tree. I dont even let my pup chew on them if he aint by hiself with the meat. People say they need the meat on them but i dont agree. 1 a month is plenty.

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Posted by hootowlman on 02-26-2014 08:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jordan120
Down here in wv and ky there ain't coon like up in Ohio and Indiana if you tree 9 in a week your a smoking

That's for sure, When you think you got a great dog come and hunt Eastern ky , VA and WV. Then we will see how that great dog does in rough STEEP MOUNTAINS.......Many have tried and few a succeeded..

Posted by hootowlman on 02-26-2014 08:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
I have a 10 month old pup that tracks and trees his own and i bet he aint seen 5 coons. I dont beleive a dog needs alot of coons. I might shoot one a month if that. I like to tree them. But i know people that shoot every coon they tree. I dont even let my pup chew on them if he aint by hiself with the meat. People say they need the meat on them but i dont agree. 1 a month is plenty.

I agree I have a 8 month old walker pup. I got her when she was 6 months and had never been off the chain and she has seen 2 coons. 1 of which was last night... She is just now starting to go with the other dogs and hasn't opened on track yet. I have had her out about 15 times I guess. If I hadn't had her with me I wouldn't have killed any of them. I put one out on dads dog because he put it in the tree and hadn't seen one in over 2 months. Its hard hunting here brother.

Posted by ole hoss on 02-26-2014 09:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hootowlman
I agree I have a 8 month old walker pup. I got her when she was 6 months and had never been off the chain and she has seen 2 coons. 1 of which was last night... She is just now starting to go with the other dogs and hasn't opened on track yet. I have had her out about 15 times I guess. If I hadn't had her with me I wouldn't have killed any of them. I put one out on dads dog because he put it in the tree and hadn't seen one in over 2 months. Its hard hunting here brother.

I know its hard hunting. Ive said before if i had to hunt in eastern ky id quit. Very rough terrain with very few coon to boot. I dont think i have a dog that could tree a coon up their. My dog is to use to these salues and river bottoms. The night before last i was standing at a tree with water up to my waist and the dog was treed while swiming around the tree. Thought i was in the bayou of louisiana.

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Posted by hootowlman on 02-26-2014 09:37 PM:

LOL, I have never had that happen sounds like fun. Man its tough hunting here no matter what your after. But it's home and I have always hunted these old mountians. But it sure is tough on a hound and me...

Posted by ole hoss on 02-26-2014 09:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hootowlman
LOL, I have never had that happen sounds like fun. Man its tough hunting here no matter what your after. But it's home and I have always hunted these old mountians. But it sure is tough on a hound and me...

It would be hard on me climbing those mountains. When i look on my garmin and see a elivation of 500ft i hate it. I cant imagine what your elivation is in pike co.

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Posted by hootowlman on 02-26-2014 10:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ole hoss
It would be hard on me climbing those mountains. When i look on my garmin and see a elivation of 500ft i hate it. I cant imagine what your elivation is in pike co.

What you posted got me thinking. I had really never looked at the elevation of where I hunt. So I broke out the ol Garmin to see what the elevation was around where I hunt. Most mountians topped out at around 2100 and where we treed the one I posted pics of last night tops out at 2800.

Posted by Jordan120 on 02-26-2014 10:29 PM:

Yes there's been dogs from Indiana and Ohio come down here in the mountains to try to keep up with the mountain dogs we have but the flat landers fail

Posted by Oak Ridge on 02-27-2014 09:46 AM:

Okay guys.....

I'm not going to get into the whole "my dog is better than your dog" discussion. Just know this....I've got a couple of dogs here at my house that not only have hunted in Pike County KY, but from the gulf of Mexico to the Canadian border. They have treed coon from the Oklahoma/Texas border to New York. Every state east of the Mississippi with the exception of Florida and Maine.

I am 11 days away from getting a new knee, so I'm not going to be climbing any mountains any time soon.....

But I also know that if I had to hunt for a week to tree nine coon, I would not kill half of them! I have a good friend from Ashland (Boyd County) and we discuss this topic often.

Fact is, I live in the land of Milk and Honey for coon population, and I didn't kill 9 coon all season. I'll have a boat load to tree this spring with my pups!

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Posted by hootowlman on 02-27-2014 02:34 PM:

WOW!!! I didn't think when I posted this that so many people would be upset over killing a coon on a coon hunting website....Imagine that....I guess when you comp hunt your dog never sees a coon ever. MY season ends Friday the 28th. I have shot 6 or so out the whole season. Some of you guys make it out like I'm killing everything in the woods. Guys if You shoot everything you tree. What's left for the next time you hunt? I'm not an idiot I been coon hunting for over 25 years and every year we tree coons and every year I take a few.. I guess that's the difference between a pleasure hunter and a comp hunter. Titles doesn't mean crap to me guys. I have hunted with a bunch of grand whatevers and seen grade dogs make them look like idiots and I have seen these grand whatevers be great dogs too.... Also I never said my dog was better than anyone elses dog. Guys I don't care who's dog strikes first or trees first as along as my dog is in the race and on the wood with the meat when I get to it..

Posted by ole hoss on 02-27-2014 05:05 PM:

Carl you know my situation and im here to tell you it just petting them up when they do the job right works. Guys i dont even pack a gun. The only time my pup has had a coon is when somebody tags along with me and shoots it out.
He will be 10 months od next month and he hasnt seen 5 coons. Hes treed close to 30 by his self. I will not let him chew on a coon he did not tree his self. 95 percent of the time i hunt alone. Just me and the pup. And hes doing it right. Like carl said they are bred to do what they do. Now im not looking down on nobody. If you shoot every coon out you tree its fine with me. I wont be in those mountains any way. But i cant and wouldnt if i could cause i know they dont need to chew on one but they do need to have them alive to have one to run next time.

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Posted by hootowlman on 02-27-2014 08:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Carl Fox
Joe best of luck with your new knee and i could not agree more with you on killing coons in thin populated coon areas.

I always wanted to train one dog and never let it have a coon to prove it can be done.

Fox hounds very seldom ever catch a fox.

Deer hounds catch very few if any Deer.

Coyote dogs don't catch any coyotes.

Rabbit dogs very seldom catch a Rabbit in the summer months.

None of the above dogs ever quit doing what they were bred to do so why do we think a coon dog will quit treeing coons if they don't get one ever so often i could be wrong about this theory but always believed by just tying that pup back and it watching all the other dogs in action and by just petting it up when it does a good job that would be suficient but i could be wrong about this but always wanted to try it and see if it would work.

Makes perfect since. I really never thought about it that way.

Posted by kyhunter50 on 02-27-2014 08:36 PM:

well if you aint gonna kill no coon,why even have a season on them,why bye a license,,,,,,,,bunch of crap.

Posted by Bucksaw Kennels on 02-28-2014 02:06 AM:

I'll kill a few coon to young dogs but after that they don't need it. Just a few here and there. Why kill coon for the fun of it? The hides aint worth nothing and it ain't making that old dog any better. So what's the point? Cause you got a dog that can tree one?

Posted by Oak Ridge on 02-28-2014 03:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kyhunter50
well if you aint gonna kill no coon,why even have a season on them,why bye a license,,,,,,,,bunch of crap.

Nobody said not to kill coon. But I ask myself every time I take the rifle off my back....why am I killing this coon? Is it for me, or is it for the dog.

A little story about a dog that I still own. He got started in the spring time, when the sows were heavy with kittens, or when they were nursing. I didn't kill any coon to him at all. He continued to tree coon, I replaced a dead coon with tons of praise at the bottom of a tree when he treed a coon, and he started eating up the attention. This went on all summer and into the early fall. I think at that point he had maybe 2 coon shot out to him his entire life.....

I noticed that when he saw my light coming to his tree, he would tree harder, and he was EXCITED TO SEE ME come to his tree....

Kill season rolled around, and hide prices were pretty high, so I was looking forward to giving him a good "taste"....I started walking in to the tree and instead of praising him, I would slide the rifle off my back and drop that coon out. I would still pet him over the dead coon, but not like I was.

Took him about five nights, and he quit treeing coon....he pretty much quit trying. I could not figure out what was going on, cause this dog was a coon treeing fool. I put him up for a few nights and got him back out. The first coon he treed, I walked in to the tree and noticed that he wasn't treeing harder when he saw my light coming...he was giving it a half effort....until I walked over, shined the tree, found the coon and went over and made over him like he had won the powerball...I swear that I could see the desire to please me fire up in him.....and the problem was solved.

To this day, at 11 years old, he could pretty much care less about a dead coon. He cares everything in the world about treeing coon and getting his ears scratched.

For the past 10 years, I've been training all of my dogs that way. I don't feel the NEED to kill coon for the sake of training a dog.

I've had dogs that were just the opposite...if you didn't kill coon they quit treeing coon....and in retrospect...none of those were as good of dogs as the ones that will do it for another reward.

I for one stay on the right side of the law...so it is illegal for me to kill coon from the last day of January to the 8th day of November every year. So for 83 days out of 365 it is legal for me to harvest a coon. Out of those 83 days, in my area we can probable hunt in decent weather for not more than 50 nights...in a good year. There are 23 nights that we can not hunt at all with our training season being closed. That leaves 259 nights that I can hunt without killing coon..... I need a dog that can and will tree coon without being fed a steady diet of fur.

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Posted by jeffmaggart on 02-28-2014 08:42 PM:

Very Well Said

Couldn't agree more Joe

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