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Posted by Chad Byrd on 01-31-2014 11:26 AM:

No soup just beef stew !

Ok I've heard alot about the uncle to niece crosses!!!! What are some opinions on aunt to nephew crosses ????

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Posted by OLD TIMER on 01-31-2014 01:02 PM:

Just as good---

also you can add 1st cousins crosses working out to keep your traits you want and adding to the family pool of genes

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Posted by Brian Ratliff on 01-31-2014 06:57 PM:

Come on I need info!!???

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-31-2014 07:07 PM:

Aunt to Nephew and Uncle to Niece are exactly the same. They work great on paper but......you have to pay extra extra close attention to their traits. You are going to magnify the good and bad. They both have to be extra nice hounds with the traits that you want. You can't just breed any Aunt to Nephew or Uncle to Niece and expect to get a good hound. Now that is my opinion.

Posted by Chad Byrd on 01-31-2014 07:41 PM:

Well let me ask this then because I'm no breeder ! What percentage does the female play in a breeding ?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-31-2014 08:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Chad Byrd
What percentage does the female play in a breeding ?

Let's say that you have 2 dice and one only has 4's on it and the other only has 3's on it. The % of rolling two 4's is 25%. The % of rolling two 3's is 25%. The % of rolling one 3 and one 4 is 50%. Now, substitute good coondog for the 3's and bad coondog for the 4's and what will you get? If you have a decent male and a decent female then the % should be 50%. But if you have a real, real good female and only a decent male then the female should contribute 75%. But you are still only dealing in odds. In the first example how many times do you think that you will really roll those dice before you actually get two 3's on one roll? Does the mother have to be "lucky" to have more good pups? Or does the Sire have to be "lucky" to have more good pups? Or do they both have to be "lucky"? Or maybe it takes "luck" on the part of the breeder. And also, There is a great number of traits that all have to come together to make a coondog. Way more that just 2 or 3. So the % of getting them all in one dog goes way down. And then you have to throw personality in the mix. It also takes a certain personality to make a top competition coondog. There is a lot more to breeding coondogs than just numbers or X's and Y's on a piece of paper.

Posted by brian layton on 01-31-2014 08:59 PM:

That's common sense cause i agree with danny and Richard and I'm not the brightest crayon in the box!!

Posted by okreddog56 on 01-31-2014 09:38 PM:

I HAVE WENT OUT ON A LIMB AND BRED REAL CLOSE A FEW TIMES,MADE ONE FATHER TO DAUGHTER CROSS AND ONE MOTHER TO SON CROSS,AND GOT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR BOTH TIMES,BUT YOU BETTER KNOW BOTH HOUNDS WELL,THEY BOTH MUST HAVE THE GOOD TRAITS YOU WANT AND BAD TRAITS YOU CAN GET RID OF OR LIVE WITH.YOU ARE GOING TO DOUBLE UP ON BOTH OF THESE AND YOU MAY GET MORE MORE THAN WANT.

Posted by BARRY C MORRIS on 01-31-2014 10:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Let's say that you have 2 dice and one only has 4's on it and the other only has 3's on it. The % of rolling two 4's is 25%. The % of rolling two 3's is 25%. The % of rolling one 3 and one 4 is 50%.

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Posted by Chris Snyder on 02-01-2014 11:31 AM:

Gr.Nt.Ch South Skunk Ciderella

Was a product of such a cross. A sister to Raven crossed on a Rat x Raven male. Worked out pretty good.

Now, I have no idea about her littermates. Maybe they turned out too.

Posted by OUTLAW REDBONE on 02-01-2014 12:59 PM:

Re: Gr.Nt.Ch South Skunk Ciderella

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Snyder
Was a product of such a cross. A sister to Raven crossed on a Rat x Raven male. Worked out pretty good.

Now, I have no idea about her littermates. Maybe they turned out too.

Here is two litter mates to Cid....

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Look's like it worked good.......

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-01-2014 04:42 PM:

I just wonder how Cid would have crossed with her nephew Boone. Talk about good traits lined up.....

Posted by tylerman on 02-01-2014 08:48 PM:

Chad just make sure you put some pepper in that beef stew.More and more you look at the soup of the ones winning big...and there is pepper.

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Posted by Chad Byrd on 02-01-2014 10:27 PM:

--------------doc
----------desperado
--------------cowgirl
Sire
--------------diesel
-----------queen
--------------fiddle II

pups

--------------doc
-----------diesel
--------------rose
Dam
--------------doc
-----------fiddle II
--------------fiddle

There it is !

Posted by Sawblade on 02-02-2014 02:12 AM:

alot of Doc

That cross there is much closer than uncle/niece . Doc is the granddad 3 times and great granddad 1 . I would say they will be quick to get struck . and very loud. Whatever they turn out like it would be time for an outcross after this one.

We have some here that are almost bred the same way.

.......................Doc
.................Bone
.......................Fiddle
...........Jake
......................Junior
.................Bean
......................Lexis

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......................Sand Rock out of Doc/Rose
..................Rocker
......................Fiddle
...........June
........................Doc
..................Reckon
........................Fiddle

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Posted by Chad Byrd on 02-02-2014 04:53 PM:

3 times granddad and 2 times great granddad then Dave you should have a 5 time pepper to breed to !

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