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Posted by Tim Toler on 10-22-2013 06:14 PM:

How would you stop cheating in Hunts?

First let me say that I don't feel that there is as much cheating goes on as some may let on.

I am just curious as to how would you, if you were running UKC or any KC, handle cheating. What suggestions would you make to a panel on how to do deal with cheating? Not only setting punishments but how to set punishments to the point of deterring the cheating to start with?

Again just curious as to what some would say...

I know me and some buddies will kick this topic around from time to time as I am sure others probably have also.

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Posted by StrawberryMt on 10-22-2013 07:18 PM:

Friends and I have had this discussion many times and our end always comes up with all KC's recognizing each others suspended lists.

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Posted by Bengie Bengala on 10-22-2013 07:19 PM:

Real simple, if you cheat and get caught YOUR OUT!!! Cheating ruines it for everyone. Coon hunting is supposed to be competitive and fun at the same time. It's not a matter of life and death. I've never had a problem with getting beat by the better dog that night. To many people have lost sight of what this sport is about. Go out there, have fun, make some new friends, and let the dogs do the work.

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Posted by Tim Toler on 10-22-2013 07:27 PM:

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Originally posted by StrawberryMt
Friends and I have had this discussion many times and our end always comes up with all KC's recognizing each others suspended lists.

I will agree 100%... it is to easy if a person gets caught in this KC to just start hunting the other KC's...

Posted by Jackson87 on 10-22-2013 09:47 PM:

I agree.Cheaters will always cheat so Barr them for life.Also don't let the crooks come over here and hunt.Be nice if there stud dog ads in the Bloodlines would say owner is barred for cheating.No matter what kc.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 10-22-2013 10:05 PM:

The answer is plain and simple. Just follow the rules and policies already in place and it will stop. The biggest problem any registry faces is in the hunters themselves. NO ONE will sign on the dotted line to start a misconduct hearing. That is plain and simple the reason it will never stop. You want to complain, but you don't want to help stop it by stepping up and being counted. Thats my take.

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Posted by rdmedders on 10-22-2013 11:09 PM:

Make all hunters bring a coondog !

Posted by coonhunter1988 on 10-22-2013 11:49 PM:

Have fun and set an example of fair play and good fellowship it may change there whole outlook.

Posted by AndyMiller on 10-23-2013 12:52 AM:

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GOE BY THE RULES=== THE PROBLEM IS = A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT NO THE RULES===BUT IVE BEEN CHEATED DOWN RIGHT DIRTY===IF GUYS BUDDY UP AN WONT SEE YOUR COON THR IS NOTHN 1 PERSON CAN DO == BUT IM GONA CARRY SOME THINGS WITH ME ==THAT WHEN A MOUTHING STARTS == THAT ITS ALL GONA B ON RECORD== AN ALSO I BOUGHT SOMTHIN TO ZOOM IN AN TAKE A PIC. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SEE MY COON

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Posted by T.Beyer on 10-23-2013 01:11 AM:

The only way to put a stop to cheating in the hunts is to stop having them.

The best you can hope for is an honest draw with honest houndsmen. The problem is that some people have such a desire to win anything they will do whatever it takes to do it.

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Posted by rdmedders on 10-23-2013 01:12 AM:

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Originally posted by AndyMiller
GOE BY THE RULES=== THE PROBLEM IS = A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT NO THE RULES===BUT IVE BEEN CHEATED DOWN RIGHT DIRTY===IF GUYS BUDDY UP AN WONT SEE YOUR COON THR IS NOTHN 1 PERSON CAN DO == BUT IM GONA CARRY SOME THINGS WITH ME ==THAT WHEN A MOUTHING STARTS == THAT ITS ALL GONA B ON RECORD== AN ALSO I BOUGHT SOMTHIN TO ZOOM IN AN TAKE A PIC. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SEE MY COON

I've pleasure hunted for 20 years .I've never comp hunted all the bad things I've heard over the years that goes on in hunts , I'm glad I never got into it ! It wouldn't be worth it , with all the BS.

Posted by T.Beyer on 10-23-2013 01:12 AM:

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Originally posted by AndyMiller
GOE BY THE RULES=== THE PROBLEM IS = A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT NO THE RULES===BUT IVE BEEN CHEATED DOWN RIGHT DIRTY===IF GUYS BUDDY UP AN WONT SEE YOUR COON THR IS NOTHN 1 PERSON CAN DO == BUT IM GONA CARRY SOME THINGS WITH ME ==THAT WHEN A MOUTHING STARTS == THAT ITS ALL GONA B ON RECORD== AN ALSO I BOUGHT SOMTHIN TO ZOOM IN AN TAKE A PIC. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SEE MY COON

If you take a picture I am pretty sure you will have broken the rules also.

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Posted by Ryan Karl on 10-23-2013 01:19 AM:

The same way you deal with a mean dog..

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Posted by AndyMiller on 10-23-2013 01:24 AM:

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If you take a picture I am pretty sure you will have broken the rules also.

YES THAT IS BREAKING THE RULES BUT WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO IF THA DONT SCORE YOUR COON ????????? I DONT CARE IF I GET BARRED == THERE IS NO POINT IN RUNNING THE HUNTS AN CHEAT ==TO BEAT==IVE BEEN HUNTN COMP. SINCE 1985== MADE GOOD FRIENDS ==AN GOOD MEMORYS == BUT IM WAITING TO DRAW ONE SPEACIAL PERSON ===

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Posted by wakenda creek b on 10-23-2013 01:54 AM:

The clubs need to assign the scorecard to an honest person. If the judge is honest then the cast will be honest. When the club gives the scorecard to a dishonest person it reflects back on the club.

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Posted by pamjohnson on 10-23-2013 02:22 AM:

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Originally posted by AndyMiller
YES THAT IS BREAKING THE RULES BUT WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO IF THA DONT SCORE YOUR COON ????????? I DONT CARE IF I GET BARRED == THERE IS NO POINT IN RUNNING THE HUNTS AN CHEAT ==TO BEAT==IVE BEEN HUNTN COMP. SINCE 1985== MADE GOOD FRIENDS ==AN GOOD MEMORYS == BUT IM WAITING TO DRAW ONE SPEACIAL PERSON ===

did u actually read what u wrote.

Posted by Mark V. on 10-23-2013 02:40 AM:

First of all most of us don't even know when we have been cheated! how many times have you been on a 3dog cast ,2 dogs treed and just happens bost of the handles of the dogs treed see the coon? certian dogs get drawn in certian cast( you will never know this happens! Some times its not the big time handler that screw you, it might be the no name guy in the cast that votes with the big time handles just to try to closer to the main man.
If ukc would get directly involve with the rule inforcement instead of making the hunters prove thier point. Here is the best at big hunts EVERY ONE is subject to a liedetector test. Bass fishing already does this!!! I am not tring to bash UKC in any way I think UKC is the best out there, and to be honest I have not been cheated that much( i feel there is a Differance between being cheated and a handler just getting a break) Ihave many agreat hunt and met lots of good folks but sometimes something needs done. 1 more thing Everyone please notice the guys that has been bared frome other kcs and who they are hanging with at the hunts? That will tell the rest of the story!!! Birds of a feather will flok togeather!

Posted by rdmedders on 10-23-2013 03:18 AM:

That says a lot about a man that would cheat in a hunt & it not bother them!

Posted by john Duemmer on 10-23-2013 03:21 AM:

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Originally posted by T.Beyer
If you take a picture I am pretty sure you will have broken the rules also.

No rule that i ever heard against taking a Pic. with a camera, just cant use your phone.

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Posted by Nelson Kirkland on 10-23-2013 11:38 AM:

Most so called cheaters bring a better dog than you do to a competition hunt. You do gooders wear me out. If you have ever accepted a plus point that you did not have coming or argued against receiving a minus point that you had coming, then you have cheated. If you circled a tree you knew a coon was not in, then you have cheated. I am always amazed at those that get on here and have to tell us again, just how honest they are. I work in the justice system. It would take me about 10 minutes to find something on all of you. I would start with your tax return.

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Posted by MATTY G on 10-23-2013 02:30 PM:

Bengie great post..I would go one step further, if your banned by one kennel club you shouldnot be allowed to compete in the other kennel clubs events either..Its an embarsment to see a cheat banned from one kennel club win a major hunt in another..If the kennel clubs banned together, we could get rid of these cheats..

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Posted by Tim Toler on 10-23-2013 03:22 PM:

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Originally posted by MATTY G
Bengie great post..I would go one step further, if your banned by one kennel club you shouldnot be allowed to compete in the other kennel clubs events either..Its an embarsment to see a cheat banned from one kennel club win a major hunt in another..If the kennel clubs banned together, we could get rid of these cheats..

I made that same comment in another post.. and just threw out there maybe even put it on the dog also... that they can't register litters out of the dog in question also... instead of allowing the person caught to just put the dog in someone else's name and continue on... and that might be over kill but just a thought...

to the reply about all of us "do gooders" my bible tells me that we are not perfect and that we are going to sin daily.. so therefore I am not saying that we haven't done something at some time in our lifes or even in hunts... and you know what... there has been some situations in the woods that was voted on by the cast and ruled up on and moved on to find out later that it wasn't handled correctly... I am sure that situations like that happens and where all four members of the cast agree with the outcome... but what I am talking about is the out right "KNOWING I AM CHEATING"..

Posted by krocket on 10-23-2013 03:57 PM:

As long as there is people with low morals an no integrity there will be cheating. But for the most part people think they got cheated because they don't know the rules

Posted by Nelson Kirkland on 10-23-2013 04:02 PM:

So if we decide as a group to do something wrong, and no one in the group knows it is wrong (imagine that!) then it is ok? You can't be serious. What about the guy that is sitting at the club house with a score card scored correctly that gets bumped to a lower placing or no placing at all because you think it is ok? I like your take on 'there are cheaters, and then there are nice cheaters.' Does your bible say you can judge?

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Posted by Nelson Kirkland on 10-23-2013 04:03 PM:

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As long as there is people with low morals an no integrity there will be cheating. But for the most part people think they got cheated because they don't know the rules

True, and the fact they don't work hard enough through the week to train a good dog.

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