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Rules Proposal Results

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News...9032013031944PM

Please consider that we will not be able to go into much further detail at this time on any of the proposals that did pass. However, in-depth clarifications will be published in the November Issue of COONHOUND BLOODLINES. I will also post them on the Coonhound News Page.

For the sake of throwing rocks at any of the breed associations, numbers for and against each prop have been omitted.

I will add that the results were not compiled at the meeting. Therefore, none of those involved were given the results, until now.

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UKC Coonhound Rules Proposal Official Results 2013

Rule 2. POINT SYSTEM:
1.) Failed
Change available tree position points to:
(b). 125 points for dog declared treed first, 75 points second, 50 points third, 25 points fourth. After one minute second tree position is not available. After two minutes, third tree position is not available. The only position available after two minutes is fourth tree position.

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Rule 4. POINTS WILL BE MINUS:

2.) Failed
Eliminate (d) and change (g) to:
(g). Dog treeing, but not declared treed, when judges arrives, will be awarded next available tree position. In the case of two or more dogs split tree points are awarded. Those strike and tree points will be minused, regardless of how the tree is scored. Dogs shut out on strike to receive minus tree points only.

3.) Failed
Eliminate Rule 5b and add to Rule 4:
Any dog(s) coming into a tree, after the judge arrives, to receive its strike points minused, regardless of how tree is scored. If dog is shut out refer to Rule 3(d).

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Rule 5. CIRCLED AND DELETED POINTS:

4.) Passed with Amendment
Add to deleted points section:
If a majority is not reached to plus, minus or circle strike and tree points, when scoring trees and a hunting judge is used.

Amendment: When a majority is not reached and half of the votes favor minusing points when scoring a tree and a hunting judge is used.

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Rule 6. DOGS WILL BE SCRATCHED:

5.) Failed
Change to implement time period for dog not hunting to:
(d) Failing to make any attempt to hunt within any 15 consecutive scorecard minutes. Time is temporarily paused when time out is called or if dog is leashed at a tree but it then continues when dog is recast. A dog must be gone for five minutes or be declared struck before time is lifted.

6.) Failed
Replace (i) with:
(i) If dog trees on its first three trees of the hunt without having opened on track (judge’s decision).

7.) Failed
Add rule to cover dog aggression towards cast members as follows:
If dog shows aggression towards any cast member.
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Rule 8. TIME OUTS:

8.) Passed
Remove (c) and replace with:
When all dogs in cast are on leash and have been scored.
9.) Passed
Remove (i) and replace with:
If all dogs are declared treed or on leash time out shall be called after 10 minutes of hunt time has been used walking to split tree(s). Time is back in during shining time or if dog leaves tree.
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Rule 11. HANDLERS AND JUDGES:

10.) Passed
After rule stating: {Where dogs split up Judge will go} etc. add sentence:
If all dogs are declared treed and handled, cast may score trees in most convenient order.


11.) Passed with Amendment
Change rule: {Permission will be given for other handlers to go to their dogs on split tree} to:
Judge may give handler permission to handle dog on a split tree unless cast is in the process of shining or scoring tree.

Amendment: Judge shall give handler permission to handle dog on a split tree unless cast is in the process of shining a tree.


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Rule 16. TIES:

12.) Failed
Change tie-breaker rules to:
All ties to be broken as follows:
1) The dog that has the most plus first tree points.
2) If still a tie, the dog that has the least number of total minus points.
3) If still a tie, the dog that has the most plus strike points.
4) If still a tie, the dog that has the most circle tree points.
5) If still a tie, the dog that has the most circle strike points
6) If still a tie, dogs involved with hunt in one hour intervals until tie is broken, or flip a coin if all parties agree.


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Rule 17. GENERAL INFORMATION

13.) Passed with Amendment
Replace rule that states: {spectators may not shine the tree} with:
Spectators may not shine the tree, unless, all handlers in cast agree. However, spectators are not included in the majority required to score trees and shall have no part in any scoring discrepancies.

Amendment: Spectators may not shine the tree, unless, all handlers in cast agree. However, spectators are not included in the majority required to score trees and shall have no part in any scoring discrepancies. The decision to allow spectators to shine or not must be decided at the beginning of the hunt. That decision applies throughout the duration of the hunt.

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What about using the alpha

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What about using the alpha

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Allen

Without trying to start an argument or stir the crap so to speak why, will the breed associations votes not be shown? I can understand the reasoning you posted to a degree.

However, these are the associations that we (the hunters) pay membership dues to, support breed hunts, etc... to be our voice with UKC. I personally would like to know because, of that.

It would stand to reason that if a certain breed group doesnt support a line of thinking in accordance to what an individuals thoughts are then that individual might not want to support that group by attending there breed hunts, sectionals, paying dues, etc...

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Re: Allen

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Originally posted by SmokyMtWrangler


It would stand to reason that if a certain breed group doesnt support a line of thinking in accordance to what an individuals thoughts are then that individual might not want to support that group by attending there breed hunts, sectionals, paying dues, etc...

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Basically no major changes!

I would have liked to see the tie breaking rule changed to most plus tree points as the first breaker. oh well

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Re: Allen

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Originally posted by SmokyMtWrangler
Without trying to start an argument or stir the crap so to speak why, will the breed associations votes not be shown? I can understand the reasoning you posted to a degree.

However, these are the associations that we (the hunters) pay membership dues to, support breed hunts, etc... to be our voice with UKC. I personally would like to know because, of that.

It would stand to reason that if a certain breed group doesnt support a line of thinking in accordance to what an individuals thoughts are then that individual might not want to support that group by attending there breed hunts, sectionals, paying dues, etc...

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Once again any proposal that would make it better don't pass. Still making it easy on the me tooing or covering late dogs. The training should be done at home not during my time at the hunts.

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Tree Countdown?
Why cant this pass?
Do people really think that a dog that trees after 3-4 minutes deserves 75 on a tree?

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I dont know why the tree countdown cant happen either. All this is doing is allowing the me to dogs to get 75 points instead of the 25 they deserve after they back a dog that has been treed for 4 minutes . This rule needs to be changed, that is why the breeds are so messed up now. Train them to pack hunt and back a dog after 2-4 minutes. What a joke.

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They sure do. The proof in in the puddin.

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i agree jack,i believe ukc likes promoting the covering style of dogs.i would love to see a countdown of some sort.

Just had this happen, 3 dog cast. Dog "A" 1st n 1st on a coon right off the bat for 225+, trees for over 3mins. Dog "B" had 2nd strike and finally shows up for second tree n gets 150+. After some long tracks and circle trees, my dog gets 1st n 1st and has a coon for 225+, Dog "B" has second strike and finally shows up to tree 4 mins 35secs later n gets another 150+, me an the other guy have 225+ apiece, other dog the backed twice won win 300+.

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Rule 5. CIRCLED AND DELETED POINTS:

4.) Passed with Amendment
Add to deleted points section:
If a majority is not reached to plus, minus or circle strike and tree points, when scoring trees and a hunting judge is used.

Amendment: When a majority is not reached and half of the votes favor minusing points when scoring a tree and a hunting judge is used.

I don't understand. What if two vote plus and two vote circle. Circle???

Countdown

I sure hoped it would pass but, I figured all along it wouldnt. Too many people are happy just to see the dog they are packing on a tree let alone expect the poor dog to tree its own coon.

I have a feeling it was 2 Associations for and 4 against. Time will tell.

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Do you guys hunt other registrys that have a countdown?

I have never seen it make much difference.....Other than allowing a handler to take less than his dog deserved on a tree.

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Originally posted by josh
Do you guys hunt other registrys that have a countdown?

I have never seen it make much difference.....Other than allowing a handler to take less than his dog deserved on a tree.

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Originally posted by josh
Do you guys hunt other registrys that have a countdown?

I have never seen it make much difference.....Other than allowing a handler to take less than his dog deserved on a tree.

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Originally posted by Tim MACHA
I've been beat more times by an automatic strike dog than a 4 minute tree dog.

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Originally posted by josh
Do you guys hunt other registrys that have a countdown?

I have never seen it make much difference.....Other than allowing a handler to take less than his dog deserved on a tree.

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But that's the ? If he was there in time for 2nd tree did he drop what he was doing and cover or was he just trailing behind. I don't want my dog to cover but shouldn't be punished for being accurate.

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Originally posted by red rocket
But that's the ? If he was there in time for 2nd tree did he drop what he was doing and cover or was he just trailing behind. I don't want my dog to cover but shouldn't be punished for being accurate.

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