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AKC and UKC show comparison article

Colleagues,
Just read an article in an online doggy newspaper comparing AKC and UKC from a recent show in California where the two venues had shows in very close proximity. Be informed, that this judge in both venues takes strong offense to the comment contained in that media of "UKC judging is like watching paint dry". UKC, without naming names, go to the online community, find this online journal and ...share your opinions. Bev Felten

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Bev Felten
UKC conformation judge
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A link would be great. I didn't find it.

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Lindsay D.
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Gravity APBTs

The article wasn't too bad til the last few paragraphs:

http://www.bestinshowdaily.com/blog...an-alternative/

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Beth

Phoenix-GSP
Cody- GSP
Rumor-GSP
Tucson-GSP
Rajah- APBT

The comments are almost 100% pro UKC and the posters show in both venues.

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Ci Cymru Corgis
Committed To the Complete Corgi
Pedigree indicates what the animal should be.
Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be;
but performance indicates what the animal actually is.

A little bit of grace. That's what a good dog is, you know. A little bit of grace.
Stephen King, from "Summer Thunder".

Best in Show daily July 27th edition

"Like watching paint dry" is pro UKC?

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Bev Felten
UKC conformation judge
#6988

Some good pro-UKC comments following the article.

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Lindsay D.
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“Perhaps this was not a typical UKC event. Certainly the atmosphere was very relaxed, more so than at even this rather laid-back, summery AKC event, but that also had the effect of making the UKC competition pretty boring to watch. One of the participants, who also attends AKC shows, in fact said that UKC judging is “just about as exciting as watching paint dry…” – and that, frankly, sums it up pretty well.”

I’m not sure how casualness equates to being boring. I have shown in AKC, CKC and UKC and with the same level of competent judges at all. The good and the bad were at all organizations. LOL

I have found UKC to be the most educational shows. Judges at UKC shows I have attended provide verbal praise for attributes on dogs they examine and also offer instructions and assurance to new exhibitors. Some judges to my great appreciation, even offer a brief breed description to audiences which has been really well received by the public. Last show I was at, the judge even threw in a rarely used “L” pattern with a free stack, for their exhibitors to execute.

So…Boring you say ??

But I guess one could say UKC conformation might be a bit boring to those that “know it all” and boring because the judges really look at the total dog. Most UKC judges consider if that dog could actually perform it’s breed’s original purpose and are structurally sound and not just have a fluffy coat. UKC judges ask dogs to move a LOT. They actually really touch and examine dogs (whose breed standard permits) thoroughly and are not usually fooled by fancy grooming or plush coats that hide many a flaw. But all of this, “judging” does take time.

So yes, boring you say….

To someone that is used to AKC shows and seeing a judge quickly go over dogs and then glance up the lead and choose a familiar face within the first few seconds of judging, then yes UKC would seem very boring indeed. But if boring means “correct” or “ethical” judging then my entry fees will be paid to UKC.

As for the comment “ambitious exhibitor who wants to fine-tune his or her skills and who relishes competition will no doubt move on to AKC competition.”

If by fine tuning skills this author means learning how to throw other exhibitors off of their game by employing psychological games, or running up behind your competition, stepping on your competition, tossing bait right in front of your completion as the judge goes to look at the class, or learning how to hide your dog’s flaws by eye drops, drugs, wiggies, spray, chalk, dying the coat, putting flashy ads in magazines to influence judges, employing the most recognized highest earning handlers and chasing judges… yes you need to go to AKC to learn any of those skills for sure.

But for the UKC exhibitor that wants to be the best handler they can, and fine tune any real skills, those are the handlers you see at every show offering to help and show other breeds to learn more, they will watch the junior handlers and listen to the judge’s feedback, they will aim to win Best in Group, Best in Shows, Top Ten placements and Total Dogs Titles, all of which are coveted wins by any UKC exhibitor that seeks stiff competition and who also wish to remain well respected within the dog community.

IF UKC’s entry numbers are any reflection of exhibitor opinion then UKC is doing great.

So iF UKC’s attitude, competence, energy, and ability to positively impact newcomers to the sport, is boring to watch, enjoy and be a part of, then perhaps Bo Bengtson is correct, AKC is a better venue for him.

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"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity"

Somethings in the information is wrong. AKC most diffidently except UKC registration.This I know. AKC will take most registry as long as there is a three generation pedigree.I registered my second litter UKC only. One of the people who brought a puppy registered it with AKC.She now has UKC/AKC dog.And that is a fact.Call AKC about it.

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Originally posted by snowball21
Somethings in the information is wrong. AKC most diffidently except UKC registration.This I know. AKC will take most registry as long as there is a three generation pedigree.I registered my second litter UKC only. One of the people who brought a puppy registered it with AKC.She now has UKC/AKC dog.And that is a fact.Call AKC about it.

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Tammy Groene
Cincinnati,OH

I called AKC about this. The dog is registered now with AKC I didnt want the puppy registered AKC this is why I put a UKC paper on the litter.A friend of mine has Border collie registered with Border Collie Association and AKC register her dog.AKC is making many changes and this is one of them.I am not wrong they can decide if they want to put an AKC paper on the dog but UKC is the same way.

AKC Accepted Registries
A dog whelped in the United States that is individually registered with one of the Domestic Registry Organizations listed below may be eligible for registration. A three-generation certified pedigree issued by the Domestic Registry Organization must accompany the application for AKC registration.

Field Dog Stud Book (All AKC registrable sporting breeds - other than Irish Setters).

The American Field Publishing Company
International Foxhunters' Stud Book (IFB)
Masters of Foxhounds Association (MFA)
National Beagle Club of America (NBC)
National Greyhound Association (NGA)
Society for the Perpetuation of the Desert Bred Saluki

AKC will accept UKC registration if you use the 'Special Registry' form, and both parents are AKC registered.....I have done it on a number of dogs.
Laurie

AKC accepting UKC reg.

AKC does not accept all UKC registrations. If both parents are AKC reg. dogs, they may accept the litter or an individual dog to be AKC reg. There are exceptions though. If it is a particular breed, like foxhound, coonhound, border collie, and a few other breeds, they may also accept other registries. These are listed on the website or you can contact AKC directly. In most cases you must provide at least a three generation certified pedigree showing the dog is from the registry you state. I believe they also require pictures. However, not all breeds will be AKC reg. just because they are also UKC reg. Your best bet is to check the website or contact AKC registration directly in case they have changed some rules. They seem to be doing that a lot lately.

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Originally posted by Bijoupoodles


As for the comment “ambitious exhibitor who wants to fine-tune his or her skills and who relishes competition will no doubt move on to AKC competition.”

If by fine tuning skills this author means learning how to throw other exhibitors off of their game by employing psychological games, or running up behind your competition, stepping on your competition, tossing bait right in front of your completion as the judge goes to look at the class, or learning how to hide your dog’s flaws by eye drops, drugs, wiggies, spray, chalk, dying the coat, putting flashy ads in magazines to influence judges, employing the most recognized highest earning handlers and chasing judges… yes you need to go to AKC to learn any of those skills for sure.

But for the UKC exhibitor that wants to be the best handler they can, and fine tune any real skills, those are the handlers you see at every show offering to help and show other breeds to learn more, they will watch the junior handlers and listen to the judge’s feedback, they will aim to win Best in Group, Best in Shows, Top Ten placements and Total Dogs Titles, all of which are coveted wins by any UKC exhibitor that seeks stiff competition and who also wish to remain well respected within the dog community.

IF UKC’s entry numbers are any reflection of exhibitor opinion then UKC is doing great.

So iF UKC’s attitude, competence, energy, and ability to positively impact newcomers to the sport, is boring to watch, enjoy and be a part of, then perhaps Bo Bengtson is correct, AKC is a better venue for him. [/B]

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where's the 'like' button!

You are so right. It all depends on what 'skills' you want to 'fine tune'. LOL

Oh how the mighty have fallen

AKC used to spurn UKC registered dogs. Now they seem to have fallen on hard times. It's right on their website that if there are AKC registrable dogs behind a dog or puppy in the three generation pedigree, they will provide registration papers. ANY "other" north american registration, such as APRI, Continental KC, etc. So someone can take that unpapered puppy from AKC registered parents and go get papers and a pedigree from APRI and then turn around and get AKC papers even if you never registered the litter. Gotta love the way AKC supports their breeders decisions to protect their lines.
Don't believe me? I understand. I didn't believe it either. But here it is in black and white: http://www.akc.org/contact/answer_center/faq_dogreg.cfm
Good luck keeping your puppies and their papers out of the puppy mills now.

This article has created more interest and advertised our show (2014, same weekend, same site, same Clubs) and was read by many exhibitors that we could of never had the opportunity. I am sure an unintentional consequence...but I appreciate the advertising!
Dennis Blickenstaff
President
Gold Country Hounds & Hunters

See you in Stockton CA July 2014
6 UKC shows; 4 AKC shows
:-)

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Dennis Blickenstaff
Denali Beagles

Re: Oh how the mighty have fallen

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Originally posted by mrsarab
AKC used to spurn UKC registered dogs. Now they seem to have fallen on hard times. It's right on their website that if there are AKC registrable dogs behind a dog or puppy in the three generation pedigree, they will provide registration papers. ANY "other" north american registration, such as APRI, Continental KC, etc. So someone can take that unpapered puppy from AKC registered parents and go get papers and a pedigree from APRI and then turn around and get AKC papers even if you never registered the litter. Gotta love the way AKC supports their breeders decisions to protect their lines.
Don't believe me? I understand. I didn't believe it either. But here it is in black and white: http://www.akc.org/contact/answer_center/faq_dogreg.cfm
Good luck keeping your puppies and their papers out of the puppy mills now.

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