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Wouldn't you like to know

I would like to be able to look up a dogs wins how many dogs they competed against so you could gage the level of competition they were hunted against I'd like to see if it was a 3 dog cast or a 60 dog event I think around here a lot of dogs are bein finished on low number hunts Have you stopped and ask your self what it took to grand your dog did you get some of those wins at bigger events or did you finish em at the local club hunts there is no way for me to look that up it would help when looking at a young stud or pups out of a well known stud but you don't no about the female just a thought what y'all think

Look at the performance points earned that will tell you a lot about what your wanting to know. And it's posted in the bloodlines every month. Most dogs finish almost or all the way to grand and never make that list so what's that tell you. One or two dogs at a time!

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Originally posted by travis smith101
Look at the performance points earned that will tell you a lot about what your wanting to know. And it's posted in the bloodlines every month. Most dogs finish almost or all the way to grand and never make that list so what's that tell you. One or two dogs at a time!

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Chris Mowen (937-554-8547)

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Originally posted by MOWEN INC.
Tell me between these two dogs which one would you rather have based on this list of accomplishments

DOG #1
* GrNtCh and has earned 3+ perfomance pts
* Only large hunt it placed in was a breed hunt

DOG #2
* NtCh has earned less than 1 performance pt
* 5th place registered AO
* 1st place overall at a slam hunt held during the world (way more than 2 dogs I bet)
* RQE 2nd place 50+ dogs entered
* One of the breed days double NtCh cast wins including 4th one night
* Multiple cast wins at big hunts just no place

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I understand completely with what your saying and agree it would be nice!! I like to hunt females and it would be nice to look at a stud dog and see.... Okay so he is number one on the reproducers list so how have those pups won??

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Chris Mowen (937-554-8547)

i agree it would be nice to be able to look that up but at the same time i always consider not everyone can afford to go to the bigger hunts...but that don't mean the dog don't have what it takes to win at them ..

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"i agree it would be nice to be able to look that up but at the same time i always consider not everyone can afford to go to the bigger hunts...but that don't mean the dog don't have what it takes to win at them .."


Exactly my thoughts also.

Winning casts at big hunts means nothing more than winning a cast at a local hunt. All a dog can do in any cast is beat the dogs they draw. Some of the dogs you draw in big hunts only hunt in 1 hunt a year while some of the local clubs can be tough.

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Dogs and handlers on their own turf have an advantage ... you can kinda figure alot of it out , but it would be interesting to see how many hunts are won by local dogs where the handler is the guide and/or judge.

It's a touchy subject because winning a big hunt is something not many of us experience and if it's and honest win , then cool ... but it causes alot of hurt feelings to bring the issues like any of this stuff up ...

Plenty of good ones are never entered in hunts one of the best I have ever been with was a black female that was only entered in 3 hunts she got a tenth at black and tan days against 300 dogs wasnt entered in another hunt till 2 years later when she got a 6th place at black and tan days against about the same number of dogs and she treed 4 singles by herself at a local hunt to finish her into nt ch and never was entered in another hunt.Her name was Buzzardcreek Lady a dog I trained and titled for Jim Bagget.she was CandS Smokey bred

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Winning casts at big hunts means nothing more than winning a cast at a local hunt. All a dog can do in any cast is beat the dogs they draw. Some of the dogs you draw in big hunts only hunt in 1 hunt a year while some of the local clubs can be tough.

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
Plenty of good ones are never entered in hunts one of the best I have ever been with was a black female that was only entered in 3 hunts she got a tenth at black and tan days against 300 dogs wasnt entered in another hunt till 2 years later when she got a 6th place at black and tan days against about the same number of dogs and she treed 4 singles by herself at a local hunt to finish her into nt ch and never was entered in another hunt.Her name was Buzzardcreek Lady a dog I trained and titled for Jim Bagget.she was CandS Smokey bred

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Originally posted by blackdawg
I agree 100%

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Originally posted by Keokuk kennels
I've been to several 60 to 70 dog hunts and it's a lot tuffer to place in it then drawing a 3 or 4 dog cast at a local club hunt I would look at a dog that had a history of placing or winning in larger hunts then one that was made a nite ch at small hunts with not much competition to me it would let you see how they measured up

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Originally posted by WORMY#1
Placing at a hunt were there's 60+ dogs is all well an good, but you still only hunted against 3 of them 60, if you had a 4 dog cast. Unless its a hunt were cast winners move on an keep hunting against other dogs. So big hunt or little, bottom line is its 1 cast at a time!! All your hound can do is win the cast its in.

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Originally posted by WORMY#1
Placing at a hunt were there's 60+ dogs is all well an good, but you still only hunted against 3 of them 60, if you had a 4 dog cast. Unless its a hunt were cast winners move on an keep hunting against other dogs. So big hunt or little, bottom line is its 1 cast at a time!! All your hound can do is win the cast its in.

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Originally posted by Keokuk kennels
how is 3 dogs the same or just as much competition as a 60 dog hunt you have to agree its harder to get a first I think it would mean more to most looking for a dog for breeding or buying if there hunt info was available to look at people like looking at a producers list it's about the same thing

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How many times at local clubs have dogs got a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd by limping back to the club with less than 100+ pts? How many times will that happen at at AO or Winter Classic, Grand America, all the breed days?? Yeah all you can do is win your cast but a small local allows you more room for error and still have a shot at placing! At a large hunt the margin for error is small because we all know you need a high score! 25+ could get you at least a 2nd place at a small 2 cast local hunt!! You won't get crap at a big hunt with that! Just my take!!

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Chris Mowen (937-554-8547)

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Originally posted by MOWEN INC.
How many times at local clubs have dogs got a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd by limping back to the club with less than 100+ pts? How many times will that happen at at AO or Winter Classic, Grand America, all the breed days?? Yeah all you can do is win your cast but a small local allows you more room for error and still have a shot at placing! At a large hunt the margin for error is small because we all know you need a high score! 25+ could get you at least a 2nd place at a small 2 cast local hunt!! You won't get crap at a big hunt with that! Just my take!!

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I can dig it and it is pretty simple , but how many would like to pursue that higher standard within the breed when it comes to dogs winning King of Hunt and not even being a cast winner ?

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Originally posted by Dirtdevil
I can dig it and it is pretty simple , but how many would like to pursue that higher standard within the breed when it comes to dogs winning King of Hunt and not even being a cast winner ?

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Originally posted by Dirtdevil
I can dig it and it is pretty simple , but how many would like to pursue that higher standard within the breed when it comes to dogs winning King of Hunt and not even being a cast winner ?

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Chris Mowen (937-554-8547)

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Originally posted by MOWEN INC.
How many times at local clubs have dogs got a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd by limping back to the club with less than 100+ pts? How many times will that happen at at AO or Winter Classic, Grand America, all the breed days?? Yeah all you can do is win your cast but a small local allows you more room for error and still have a shot at placing! At a large hunt the margin for error is small because we all know you need a high score! 25+ could get you at least a 2nd place at a small 2 cast local hunt!! You won't get crap at a big hunt with that! Just my take!!

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I'm not hung up on it , but it bears repeating .. what good does it do for us to discuss the context of big hunt wins ... when we haven't applied to our own breed first and set the example ?

So according to you guys a dog that scores 550+ and places 4th in a big hunt is better than a dog that scores 550+ and wins 1st in a local hunt. Learn something new everyday......

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