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Posted by okie_coonhunter on 06-25-2013 02:01 AM:

competition question?

You have a dog that has first strike and all other dogs have treed and restruck several times in the first hour, the dog with first strike has never treed but is still running after the hour, can you minus him and open first strike under rule 7 non working dog?

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Posted by wtf on 06-25-2013 02:05 AM:

Dont minus but if one hour is up first strike is open

Posted by Ky Show Girl on 06-25-2013 02:14 AM:

dont understand the ???? i wouldnt want mine treeing if they
were circled and ----- it just takes 1 dog to keep strike open.

Posted by COONDOG on 06-25-2013 02:29 AM:

One hour or 2 coon scored in seperate trees. Restrike in at 100.

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Posted by patches9452 on 06-25-2013 02:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by COONDOG
One hour or 2 coon scored in seperate trees. Restrike in at 100.

the 2 coon deal is out now.... dog must be carrying strike for one hour

Posted by okie_coonhunter on 06-25-2013 02:42 AM:

So does the dog holding first strike still hold his position points? What happens to his strike? I couldn't find any thing else in the rules.

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Posted by Ky Show Girl on 06-25-2013 03:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by okie_coonhunter
So does the dog holding first strike still hold his position points? What happens to his strike? I couldn't find any thing else in the rules.

if they have + points trade it before the cast gets back,if they
dont i am ready to go any way you ever seen the #

Posted by patches9452 on 06-25-2013 07:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by okie_coonhunter
So does the dog holding first strike still hold his position points? What happens to his strike? I couldn't find any thing else in the rules.

yes

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 06-25-2013 01:07 PM:

He continues to hold first strike but the other dogs can also strike in for 100 after he has held first strike for an hour.

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Posted by Paul Frederick on 06-25-2013 01:53 PM:

Most of the answers on here are correct but I thought I'd weigh in.

After a dog has held his strike position (whether it be first or last) for an hour, the other positions are open. You do not minus that dog but the others are struck in above, or equal to, his position.

If the dog who has been holding the strike for an hour is ever plussed or minused his strike for whatever, they will be subject to being struck in at whatever position is available at that time.

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Posted by JiM on 06-25-2013 02:28 PM:

So you could conceivably, have two dogs carrying 100 strike at the same time?

Also, how does UKC suggest the judge know when that struck dog has carried his strike for 60 minutes? Should the judge start a 1 hour clock every time a dog is struck in on the chance he might carry his strike 60 minutes?

I remember when this rule was changed, I'd love to know who the genius was that rewrote it.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-25-2013 03:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
who the genius was that rewrote it.

Oh my goodness........

Posted by runnin rebels on 06-25-2013 03:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
So you could conceivably, have two dogs carrying 100 strike at the same time?

Also, how does UKC suggest the judge know when that struck dog has carried his strike for 60 minutes? Should the judge start a 1 hour clock every time a dog is struck in on the chance he might carry his strike 60 minutes?

I remember when this rule was changed, I'd love to know who the genius was that rewrote it.

yeah it doesn't say anything about the dog holding the strike open for an hour.

"if dog is not working as part of cast all strike positions will be open to other dogs after one hour of hunting time has elapsed."

so after 60 minutes of hunt time the next dog to open gets 100.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 06-25-2013 05:07 PM:

If Im treeing coon while another runs around for an hour. Why do I care if its struck for a hundred. What really is bad. Say Im treed. Cut back loose and strike for a quarter. Then another dog trees. He gets turned back in to me at 65min. He strikes in with me for a 100. That's what is unfair!!

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Posted by patches9452 on 06-25-2013 05:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
If Im treeing coon while another runs around for an hour. Why do I care if its struck for a hundred. What really is bad. Say Im treed. Cut back loose and strike for a quarter. Then another dog trees. He gets turned back in to me at 65min. He strikes in with me for a 100. That's what is unfair!!

well said.... cost me a trip to the world finals one year

Posted by groworg1 on 06-25-2013 05:27 PM:

cracks me up that one "dog not working as part of cast " what does this truly mean ?

Posted by joey on 06-25-2013 06:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
If Im treeing coon while another runs around for an hour. Why do I care if its struck for a hundred. What really is bad. Say Im treed. Cut back loose and strike for a quarter. Then another dog trees. He gets turned back in to me at 65min. He strikes in with me for a 100. That's what is unfair!!

That’s the kicker to this rule. All of the dogs that are "working as part of the cast” have to be eligible for the 100. So if you tree, cut and restrike before his hour is up and then another dog trees and cuts after your struck he can’t go in for 100 because it would be striking in over a dog that is working as part of the cast. So you cannot strike in above a dog that has not been caring a strike for 1 hour.
So in your case they could not strike in over you.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 06-26-2013 01:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by joey
That’s the kicker to this rule. All of the dogs that are "working as part of the cast” have to be eligible for the 100. So if you tree, cut and restrike before his hour is up and then another dog trees and cuts after your struck he can’t go in for 100 because it would be striking in over a dog that is working as part of the cast. So you cannot strike in above a dog that has not been caring a strike for 1 hour.
So in your case they could not strike in over you.

I don't think that's right. They said 60 min. Don't matter what the cast is doing. First strike is opened back up. Reason they changed it is we had a world champ yrs ago. Even on here in the play by play it told how the cast went. Clear rules violation. On the old rule. So they made a new one that would of covered that one

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Posted by joey on 06-26-2013 01:51 AM:

It right, trust me. We are saying the same thing. The dog has to be carrying the strike for 1 hour to be struck in above. The thing is you can’t strike in above a dog that has not been carrying it for 1 hour. In the case you described your dog had not been carrying the strike for 1 hour so they cannot strike in above you. Even if another dog in the cast has been carrying it for an hour.

Posted by GA DAWG on 06-27-2013 01:00 AM:

So how can you strike back for a hundred? Do all dogs but that have to be handled?

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Posted by joey on 06-27-2013 02:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
So how can you strike back for a hundred? Do all dogs but that have to be handled?

Any dog that can be struck in over has to have been carrying the srike for an hour.

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 06-27-2013 07:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
So how can you strike back for a hundred? Do all dogs but that have to be handled?

Dog A struck for 100
Dog B struck for 75
Dog C struck for 50
Dog D struck for 25

Dogs B,C, and D have treed a coon and are recast. Dogs B and C are struck back in for 75 and 50. The hour runs out on Dog A and then Dog D is struck but has to go in for 25 because he can't strike back in above the dogs that have not been holding strike for the hour. What would really be messed up would be if the dog holding strike open for an hour was originally struck in at 25.

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