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Posted by Sawblade on 05-02-2013 12:58 AM:

Here's the girls

Top 50 females by most titled offspring in last 5 years.

Sorry about the wait , I guess ya get what ya pay for ,LOL ..Just kidding ,I'm glad to post the lists again enjoy . They are just one way to look at things.

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,

They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-02-2013 03:45 PM:

Kate #1...Pepper Ann #2.....Amber #46, it will be interesting to watch Amber climb on up the list. I love to see families of reproducers. Theoretically speaking the daughters of the top reproducers should surpass their mothers if we are doing our job right. Bell is #18, Raven and Bombers Red Wire are #3 and #10. Where is the female out of Raven or Bombers Red Wire????

Posted by Sawblade on 05-02-2013 08:00 PM:

sometimes

I think we need to look at % on some of the daughter mother comparisons, Just how many pups a dog has plays a big part in how the daughters may stack up against momma. If momma has 35 pups and daughter only 15 It's hard to compare.

Posted by Mossybuck on 05-02-2013 08:28 PM:

How many of the top 10 reproducers are line bred?

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-02-2013 11:13 PM:

Kelly, there are 2 separate lists but I am finding it hard to draw any conclusions without comparing the 2 of them together.

Posted by Sawblade on 05-02-2013 11:29 PM:

two list

2 lists 1 breed... I'm not sure there is a lot of new stuff to learn from the updated lists . I can see some puzzle pieces coming together when I look at each list. for example 4 of the top 10 males are fairly close relatives 3 of the other top 10 males are also closely related. and they all are related at some point. When we look at all the lists and try to pull out info. I see the same thing I noticed last time I ran them. There are strong family lines in the breed and they continue to prove their ability to reproduce. Richard you asked about watering down some of those lines. I think the fact is it takes a long time to prove on paper the ability of a reproducer, and in another 2 years we will see nothing was watered down. Stud dogs that get over 400 pups is getting very rare and we may never see numbers like we have in the past. But quality is getting better I think.

Posted by bridger80 on 05-03-2013 02:32 AM:

It looks like Scott Perkey has done a great job putting sierras pups in the right hands.

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Posted by Mossybuck on 05-03-2013 11:08 PM:

Hey Mark,
Was Kate as good or better than her moma? Did her moma reproduce great like her. Would like to know all I could about it. Everybody wants a Moonlight Kate.

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Posted by mmarshall on 05-04-2013 04:32 AM:

Scott grove could answer how cookie reproduced better than I can but i do know there was more than a few good dogs from the cross of ratt and cookie
I drew cookie the year she won national days very impressed she put on a clinic that weekend

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favorits ive hunted and or owned
grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
Current
Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
Ntch Pr beaver creeks easy peezy three 1st place wins (jet x moonlight Bree)
Pr beaver creeks moonlight coon buster ( moonlight shock x moonlight Bree)

Posted by OUTLAW REDBONE on 05-04-2013 02:27 PM:

Kelly

Chicken Foot is from Sally 14, Sally is from Sweetie 23. Chick is being breed her first time. It will be nice to see a list in 2018 to compare again.

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Posted by runnin rebels on 05-06-2013 01:43 PM:

thanks for the list

++++GRNITECH CH PR DawnsTimber Jack
++CH GRNITECH PR To The Maxx #25 9.7 %
++++GRNITECH PR Jenkins Crying Kate
+GRNITECH GRCH PR Nighty Nite Red Cloud
++++GRCH GRNITECH Stepp's Little Pepper #12 9.9 %
++GRCH GRNITECH PR Moonlight pepper Ann #2 27.8 %
++++GRNITECH PR Nighty Nite Moonlight Kate #1 51.7%

pups

++++GRNITECH PR T-Top Tree Talkin Red Rat #14 10.7%
++GRNITECH GRCH PR T-Top Rabble Rouser #3 12.6%
++++GRNITECH GRCH PR T-Top Rock n Red Raven #3 25.6%
+CH GRNITECH PR Keeners Addisonian Hill Peanut
++++GRNITECH PR South Branch Midnight Pete #10 12.6%
++GRNITECH CH PR Zuk's Red Pride Paige #25 16%
++++NITECH PR Branch River Ice Age Sage

9 out of 14 on the list not too bad

on the next line over
raven is out of bomber #5 on the male's list
pete is out of maxx # 25 on the male's list
sage is out of bone who is at 17% and sue who is at 20%

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Posted by jbiggert on 05-07-2013 12:17 AM:

KELLY I KNOW THE LIST.. BUT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT MAY HELP ME AND OTHERS . PUT A # BY THE DOGS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE OR GONE EITHER WAY. SO IF WE DO WANT A PUP OR STUD WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT GEN.. I MY SELF DO NOT KNOW ALL THE DOGS THAT ARE ALIVE OR GONE TO BETTER MY LINES. THANKS KELLY JOHN

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Males

1) Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Nighty Nite Little Red - (Semen) (Gr. Nt. Yellow River Rocky X Nt. Ch. Gr. F Grw. Maggie)

2) Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Nighty Nite Red Cloud - 4 Years Old (Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. To The Max X Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann)

3) Nighty Nite T - (Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight After Shock X Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann)

Females

1) Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann - 9 Years Old (Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Steps Little Pepper X Gr. Nt. Ch. Nighty Nite Moonlight Kate)

2) Gr. Ch. Nighty Nite Little Red Sky - 3 Years Old (Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Outlaw Red Moon X Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann)

Posted by Sawblade on 05-09-2013 11:24 AM:

I'm not sure either.

John, I would do that but I would be afraid to list one as dead that is still alive..LOL
That's one reason I have the breeders listed as well as the owners. It give people a chance to know who to get ahold of to talk about the dog and also you can see who's kennel the dog originally came from. Those two pieces of info should get you what you need with just a phone call.

Posted by jbiggert on 05-10-2013 04:33 PM:

what was i thinkin.. thanks kelly that helps. man

Posted by Troy Arnold on 05-10-2013 10:41 PM:

Re: sometimes

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
I think we need to look at % on some of the daughter mother comparisons, Just how many pups a dog has plays a big part in how the daughters may stack up against momma. If momma has 35 pups and daughter only 15 It's hard to compare.

I agree here Im no breeder but number 2 on the list with 54 pups wow that sounds like alot of pups to me. How many litters did it take to make some of these numbers? I was guessing if you had 54 pups and averaged 9 a litter thatd be 6 litters. Somebody put alot of time in that and alot of time getting those pups to the right people. Like I say Im no breeder but this is very interesting stuff Thanks for posting both lists.

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Posted by jdgher on 05-11-2013 02:15 PM:

Great tool. Got me to thinking.

Consider this thought. Some people are succeful breeders/hunters and some are just successful hunters.
Consider this: Breeder crosses 2 very good dogs, then places those pups in the hands of good solid hunters. Good hunters work hard and take those pups to their potential and make them GRNTCh. Now those good hunters may not be inclined to do much breeding, they are hunters not breeders. So the potential of those GRNT pups to reproduce does not get recognised, so the breed looses here.
Just something I hadn't really thought of. We always think about getting the pups in the hands of good hunters, don't get me wrong, that is very very important. But how do we continue this on out? I myself am guilty of being a capable hunter, then not doing a bunch of breeding.
So for the breed to really prosper, the good hunters need to get those good dogs back in the hands of capable breeders at the age of 3 or 4.
Something to think about.
PS: I get attached to the real good ones, so this wouldn't be easy :-).

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-11-2013 08:32 PM:

It sounds like the hunters need to team up with a good breeder and the good breeders need to team up with a good hunter. A good hunter needs a breeder to send him young dogs and a good breeder needs a hunter to send him finished hounds that are ready to breed. It is a win win cooperative effort.

Posted by Sawblade on 05-11-2013 09:38 PM:

which one

Richard ,which one are you. I see your name on there a few

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-12-2013 12:32 AM:

I used to be a breeder, but I wasn't too good at that so I just became a hunter. Now that I have gotten too old, I am going to go back to being a breeder. I am going to have to find a couple more good hunters. I have one in David Linkous and I am trying out one in Wisconsin named Andy Abts. The only problem is keeping the good hunters motivated. When they get a dog that they can win with they want to hold on to them. They don't like starting over again.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-21-2013 11:45 PM:

I wouldn't want the "lists" to get lost.

Posted by GreatLakes Reds on 06-26-2013 12:26 AM:

Just want to keep it around.

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Posted by Tree Rizin CC on 07-22-2013 04:52 AM:

Shady Lady

Shady Lady just had another pup finish to NITECH, bumping her up to #12 on The List. What other top producing females have moved around in the last couple of months?

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Posted by jdgher on 02-07-2015 11:40 AM:

Btt

Btt

Posted by roger wickerham on 02-13-2015 03:40 AM:

btt

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Posted by Millcreekred12 on 02-18-2015 12:43 AM:

jump

By my calculations calculations Jones Yellow river red chili makes a big move on the girls list from 25 to #2 with 10 great nt. And nt. Ch and 24 pups a 41.6% reproduction

Someone asked how many of the top ten females are products of line breeding Chili is about as line bred as you get and a total out cross onto Steve which is line bred. I don't breed for many litters but I am excited because some of these pups out of chili are being bred. Time will tell how they reproduce. My future breeding is crossing my Jesse female back onto P.K.C. C.H. Grand Nite C.H. Millcreek yellow river stone time will tell how they do

Good tool Professor Hyde

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