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Posted by jacktreed!03 on 05-02-2013 12:45 AM:

Getting dog to stand on feet

What can you do to get a dog to get up on his toes more,would love to have some ideas.thanks

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Posted by Ky Show Girl on 05-02-2013 02:13 AM:

pull its tail

Posted by BawlinBlues on 05-02-2013 07:40 AM:

grab his chest with ur hand and squeeze,better off having sum1 show u.

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Posted by EnglishBabe on 05-02-2013 08:47 AM:

I've used beer bottle lids, thumb tacks, stones and wooden slats. Once they learn what you want from them (if they are able to do so, some dogs are just flat footed period) its very easy to get them up on their toes and stay there. Genes have a lot to do with it also.

Just remember, a GOOD judge can pick out a 'stacked' dog and will find those flat feet fast. Also, keep the toenails very short.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 05-02-2013 12:18 PM:

EnglishbABE

Would you please explain how you use beer bottle lids, thumb tacks, and stones to get a dog up on it's toes. And how can a GOOD judge pick out a flat footed dog if it is stacked?. Now I don't know about all this so please fill me in.

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Posted by Aaron Siniavsky on 05-02-2013 02:31 PM:

practice benching on a set of saw horses

Posted by Jon Millwood on 05-02-2013 04:20 PM:

If the dogs feet are built right it shouldn't have to get up on its toes to make them appear arched.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 05-02-2013 10:24 PM:

EnglishBabe

I would you please help me?

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Posted by EnglishBabe on 05-03-2013 07:39 AM:

Re: EnglishBabe

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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
I would you please help me?

Most dogs like to lean back on their front legs on the bench. By placing bottle cap, etc at the very back of dog pad, they soon learn that it hurts and if the stand up on their front legs and toes, it doesn't. I NEVER place a dog by lifting them up by their chest, I place EACH foot where I want it and then tickle or put some pressure on their belly to get them up on their toes. PRAISE them everytime to do what you want them to do. You want a box not a saw horse splayed look.

Now, the stacking, I learned a very long time ago from one of the best bench show judges I ever showed under, how to pick apart a dog that really isn't all that good. A good handler can hide or down play a dogs faults, a good judge needs to be able to find them. Pick up a foot and let it fall naturally back down, does it go flat or splayed? push on the hips, is there give? If so, could be weak hind quarters. Press on the back, a dog will relax their stance and you can get a good look at their top line. I have shown coonhounds since '98 and made many, many GRCH and CH. Bred a lot of my own dogs too. I have been a BSJ since '01 and can spot a fault a mile away. But, it is my job to pick the best dog from what is presented to me and trust me, if the quality is poor, it is harder then a bunch of good dogs.

I will be more then happy to talk to anyone that has questions, my number is below, call me late afternoon or evening.

The single best way to get a dog up on their toes is in their genes, but I have seen a lot of dogs go flat footed on the bench because they are scared, so work those dogs on the bench everyday AND MAKE IT FUN for the dog, lots of PRAISE!

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 05-03-2013 01:21 PM:

Thanks!

Now I am getting the picture I think but U left out the tacks where do they go and what do they do? and please explain the top line what part does that play?

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Posted by rowdyhound on 05-03-2013 03:26 PM:

Your wanting to get them up on their toes right? I use what I call breaking sticks, which is basically a piece of board. The pic I'm posting if for you to see what I'm talking about, and she's just learning!!! And I know she isn't set right and all that, LOL!!
Oh and she's very lazy and wants to not get up on her feet!!

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Posted by Jon Millwood on 05-03-2013 03:36 PM:

How do all these dogs that high step like a horse with their front feet when they gate ,dogs that the rear hips set higher than their shoulders , and dogs who have to be stretched too far to make their hocks vertical win all the time.. I dont know jack crap about showing but I know in depth about angulation and structure. Could somebody explain what Im missing? Could it be most judges them selves dont know what theyre looking for or is it politics?

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Posted by rmcmillan on 05-03-2013 04:21 PM:

Re: Thanks!

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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
Now I am getting the picture I think but U left out the tacks where do they go and what do they do? and please explain the top line what part does that play?

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Posted by Ky Show Girl on 05-03-2013 04:51 PM:

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Originally posted by Ky Show Girl
pull its tail

What you ins talking about you can whistle for him if he has any
brains he should get up and come.

Posted by Cleo on 05-03-2013 05:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Millwood
How do all these dogs that high step like a horse with their front feet when they gate ,dogs that the rear hips set higher than their shoulders , and dogs who have to be stretched too far to make their hocks vertical win all the time.. I dont know jack crap about showing but I know in depth about angulation and structure. Could somebody explain what Im missing? Could it be most judges them selves dont know what theyre looking for or is it politics?

I would LOVE to comment but I'm already in trouble.....

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Posted by Ky Show Girl on 05-03-2013 05:40 PM:

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Originally posted by Cleo
I would LOVE to comment but I'm already in trouble.....

yep!!! you get to hire the judges and i get to play.

Posted by Cleo on 05-03-2013 05:44 PM:

No judge's are hired. Play as hard as you want tho!

Posted by EnglishBabe on 05-03-2013 05:59 PM:

Re: Thanks!

quote:
Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
Now I am getting the picture I think but U left out the tacks where do they go and what do they do? and please explain the top line what part does that play?

quote:
interesting info, thanks. however I have to wonder why H.L. is asking all these questions and calling everyone out. he IS/WAS a BSJ and a handler and breeder for MANY years and knows all of these tricks of the trade. its just odd.

A PM I got this morning, hummmmm.... H. L. Meyer baiting again????

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Posted by RED REBELS on 05-03-2013 06:47 PM:

Re: Re: Thanks!

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Originally posted by EnglishBabe
A PM I got this morning, hummmmm.... H. L. Meyer baiting again????

maybe he hade an accident and forgot everything

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Posted by EnglishBabe on 05-03-2013 06:50 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Thanks!

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Originally posted by RED REBELS
maybe he hade an accident and forgot everything

LOL true, never thought of that. Maybe I can try real hard to work up a bit of sympathy for him!

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Posted by EnglishBabe on 05-03-2013 06:57 PM:

I hate to see a dog 'camped out'. That means they are over angulated and to make that nice top line, you got to stretch them to do so. People, you want a BOX, not a rectangle. If a dog has the proper gait, you should be able to imagine placing a wine glass full behind their withers and it not moving as the dog is gaited. I use to road my dogs and just loved to watch them gait and see the top of their back not moving, it was like they were just floating along.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 05-03-2013 10:00 PM:

Bait not needed

Have never nor do I know anythang about beer bottle caps, tacks or anything like that. And NEVER heard the turm "camped out" and placing a full wine glass behind their withers as they gate just BLOWS my mind I sure would like to see that feet though. And to top it all off Can't believe anyone would call you and say I am calling you out, Now that would never happen I don't have a mean bone in my body, Humm You know a person is never to old to learn. I like talking and learning about showing a dog. Now if you would look back on the last few years you would know I have not been showing much that is because I have not had anything worth a dang BUT maybee a fer beer bottle caps and some tacks along with other tricks that I don't know I could have been back in the shows. BUT I GOT A GOODON COMMING ALONG NOW SO WATCH OUT. he,he,
Now as far as JUDGING yep had a card and did not like what I saw so I sent in it simple as that. H L Meyer

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 05-03-2013 10:14 PM:

rmcmillan

Yesser I sure did, He was TIGHT on track and not much of a tree dog either. He was bred twice had 2 pups in one litter and don't remember about the other but do remember a young man had one and had good results with it . The last dog was not much. BAD TO THE BONE ON THE BENCH THOUGH.

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Posted by rmcmillan on 05-07-2013 05:34 PM:

Re: rmcmillan

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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
Yesser I sure did, He was TIGHT on track and not much of a tree dog either. He was bred twice had 2 pups in one litter and don't remember about the other but do remember a young man had one and had good results with it . The last dog was not much. BAD TO THE BONE ON THE BENCH THOUGH.

I forget what female he was out of. Would not look at a coon. Great dog on bunch. Hated other people when I was not around. Finished to gr ch. Growed at my 7 gr old, last day at my place. Gave him to guy in wv to keep on farm. Never heard of him again.

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