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Posted by Cooner31 on 03-30-2013 01:15 PM:

Rimadyl Advice

Our house dog is 9yrs old and has just torn her acl and they are telling us that surgery would be $1500 they also said because of her age we could just keep her on some Latin meds and antiinflammatory rimadyl is still like $30 for 10 day supply . My question is there a cheaper place to get them or is there something else we could give her thanks for any and all advice

Posted by Lee Stocking on 03-30-2013 02:51 PM:

You can order them online overseas and I think there is a generic brand too. You may have to research it. Deremaxx is the same also.

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Posted by Cooner31 on 03-30-2013 05:59 PM:

OK thanks

Posted by rghnd123 on 03-30-2013 06:08 PM:

What we used to do

I know people will disagree. We used to give an old dog with arthritis a quarter of an ibuprofen. It really helped the dog and he lived to be 13 yo.

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Posted by MTCoonHunter on 03-30-2013 08:04 PM:

1-800-PET MEDS

There might be cheaper places but that's where I went. The generic is Novox. Just like any med, it's cheaper to cut a 100mg pill in half than it is to buy 2 50mg pills.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 03-31-2013 01:41 AM:

bute pills

forget just what they cost aften bought none in awhile thier like a big asprin for horses i cut them into quaters and give them to my dogs but im sorta freinds with a vet and my buddys real good freinds with them get our meds at a discount but i keep ramidall around for my wifes shitzu she has a bad leg in damp weather the old artirits gets in it and helps her alot but it is costly

Posted by rowdyhound on 03-31-2013 02:33 AM:

I used to use baby aspirin on my old Rottie, she died at 13. I really like Metacam, but its kinda pricey.

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 03-31-2013 02:45 AM:

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Originally posted by rowdyhound
I used to use baby aspirin on my old Rottie, she died at 13. I really like Metacam, but its kinda pricey.

i have that in my medicine cabinet its outdated paid 33 dollars for it back in 08 from 1 of the vets i use back then probly doulbed in price now

Posted by rowdyhound on 03-31-2013 02:50 AM:

I wanta say I paid about 70 for it last time I got it. I keep it around cause one of my old hounds hurt his back and sometimes it acts up on him, it works GREAT, just pricey.............

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 03-31-2013 02:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rowdyhound
I wanta say I paid about 70 for it last time I got it. I keep it around cause one of my old hounds hurt his back and sometimes it acts up on him, it works GREAT, just pricey.............

yea it really helps it knock my wife shtzu on her butt

Posted by Emily on 03-31-2013 05:07 AM:

be careful about using rimadyl long term on a dog. It tends to cause organ failure if used over a long period of time. Probably ok for an old dog, or for short-term problems, but Google it and read some of the horror stories before you spend a fortune on it.

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Posted by Cooner31 on 03-31-2013 02:28 PM:

Thanks for all the advice I'm just looking for something that will help her out some so it doesn't have to be rimadyl

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-31-2013 02:58 PM:

•Arthritis
•Tendonitis
•Muscular pain
•Fever

Dosage

Aspirin should be given only in low doses to dogs, otherwise it can be toxic. A dog needs approximately 5 to 10 mg per pound of body weight, once every 12 hours. Always consult your vet prior to administering aspirin to your pet.

When giving your dog aspirin, make sure you give it after he has eaten, to avoid stomach problems or ulcers. Dogs often reject aspirin due to the unusual taste, so you may have to hide the tablet in chunks of food or inside a treat.

Cautions

It's recommended that aspirin not be administered in conjunction with steroids. For instance, if your dog has allergies and gets corticosteroids, he shouldn’t get aspirin for arthritis. Aspirin also shouldn’t be administered to dogs with ulcers or stomach lining problems.

Side Effects

A lengthy administration of aspirin can cause ulcers, gastrointestinal problems, diarrhea, vomiting, delayed blood clotting and possibly kidney and liver issues.

The dog may also lack appetite. If the side effects are upsetting, discontinue it immediately and see a vet.

Which Aspirin is Best for Dogs?

Aspirin can come with an enteric coating or buffered. The buffered aspirin is recommended for dogs, because aspirin with enteric coating can't be properly assimilated, and can cause poisoning or liver damage.

Read more: Aspirin for Dogs - VetInfo

Here is another "Vet" artical about Aspirin
http://vetmedicine.about.com/cs/alt...gcataspirin.htm

From Merck Online Vet Manual ..

"All NSAID, except for acetaminophen (also named paracetamol), are antipyretic, analgesic, and anti-inflammatory. They are routinely used for the relief of pain and inflammation associated with osteoarthritis in dogs and horses and for colic, navicular disease, and laminitis in horses. The use of NSAID for the relief of perioperative pain in companion animals is increasing. In general, NSAID provide only symptomatic relief from pain and inflammation and do not significantly alter the course of pathologic damage. As analgesics, they are generally less effective than opioids and are therefore generally only indicated against mild to moderate pain. "

http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/pha...html?qt=Aspirin and Canines&alt=sh

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-31-2013 03:14 PM:

After Reading all that I could ..

And to Stay away from Rimadyl ..

Use the Aspirin .. Start out at the 5mg per Pound Dosage at twice per Day or after each Feeding ..

Use the Coated Brands and you can get these in the Very Low dosages ..

Run the 5 mg per pound for a 2 week period and see if there is any Improvment .. If not then begain to Increase the Dosage using the Same 2 weeks at a time ..

If you get to the 10 mg per # doasge and theres no Improvement then its Time to Move on ..

Aspirin Takes Time to Work on Joints ..

Posted by hillbilly56 on 03-31-2013 04:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
After Reading all that I could ..

And to Stay away from Rimadyl ..

Use the Aspirin .. Start out at the 5mg per Pound Dosage at twice per Day or after each Feeding ..

Use the Coated Brands and you can get these in the Very Low dosages ..

Run the 5 mg per pound for a 2 week period and see if there is any Improvment .. If not then begain to Increase the Dosage using the Same 2 weeks at a time ..

If you get to the 10 mg per # doasge and theres no Improvement then its Time to Move on ..

Aspirin Takes Time to Work on Joints ..

whats the side effects on the rimadyl i use it on my wifes shitzu not on a regular basis sometimes 3 to 5 days but might be months between uses

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-31-2013 05:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hillbilly56
whats the side effects on the rimadyl i use it on my wifes shitzu not on a regular basis sometimes 3 to 5 days but might be months between uses

Rimadyl About the Same as Aspirin..

The actual Name for Rimadyl is " Carprofen " and the Exact same Family As Aspirin !!!

Carprofen is a member of the class of drugs known as NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs), the same class as such common over-the-counter remedies as Advil (ibuprofen), Aleve (naproxen), Orudis (ketoprofen), and aspirin as well as more controversial prescription drugs such as Celebrex (celecoxib) and Vioxx (rofecoxib). This class of drug is used for pain relief successfully in humans but the development of safe NSAIDs for dogs has only been achieved relatively recently and continues to be problematic in cats. With the possible exception of aspirin, none of the human drugs listed above can be safely used in pets.

Side Effects

The side effects of concern are the same with all NSAIDs: stomach ulceration, loss of kidney function, and inappropriate bleeding. These are dependent on the dose of medication used and on risk factors of the host (for example: an aged pet may not efficiently clear a dose of medication from its body leading to stronger and longer activity of the drug). There is also a particular idiosyncratic reaction for NSAIDs that has received a great deal of press. An idiosyncratic reaction is one that is not dose-dependent or predictable by any apparent host factor; it simply happens out of the blue. This particular idiosyncratic reaction is a liver toxicity (see the hepatopathy side effect below), which is rare enough so as not to show up in any of the initial 400 test subjects, nor in the U.K., and was not recognized until carprofen was used in over a million dogs. We will review this reaction and others below.

There is an approximately one in 1000 chances of a dog on carprofen developing nausea, appetite loss, vomiting or diarrhea. If any of the above are noted, carprofen should be discontinued and the dog brought in for a liver enzyme blood test. In most cases, the reaction is minor and resolves with symptomatic relief, but it is important to rule out whether or not the patient has more than just a routine upset stomach.
If a patient has borderline kidney function, NSAIDs should not be used as they reduce blood flow through the kidneys. It is also important that NSAIDS not be given to dehydrated patients because of this potential side effect.
A carprofen reaction that has received special attention is hepatopathy, a type of liver disease. Symptoms include nausea, appetite loss, and/or diarrhea as well as marked elevations (3-4 times higher than the normal range) in liver enzymes measured in the blood. Dogs with this syndrome show improvement with support 5 to 10 days after discontinuing carprofen. It is important that carprofen be discontinued and the patient evaluated in the event of upset stomach signs in case of this syndrome. Even though this is a rare syndrome affecting only one in 5000, it can become life-threatening if ignored. Appetite loss or other intestinal signs do not necessarily indicate a hepatopathy but since they might, it is important not to ignore these signs should they occur. There is no way to predict which dogs will experience this side effect. The hepatopathy reaction usually occurs in the first 3 weeks after starting carprofen but could theoretically occur later.
All NSAIDs are removed from the body by the liver. If the patient’s liver is not working normally due to another disease or if the patient is taking other drugs that are also removed by the liver, it is possible to overwork the liver and exacerbate pre-existing liver disease. If there is any question about a patient’s liver function, another class of pain reliever should be selected.
It is important to realize that COX-selectivity is not the sole factor in safety. In humans, the incidence of kidney function-related side effects was unchanged by the development of COX-2 preferential NSAIDs and we expect the same is true with dogs. Still, these drugs have an excellent track record for safety; the important issue is to recognize risk factors for adverse reactions and take preventive steps (see the Concerns and Cautions section below). Many exaggerated reports and rumors have surfaced on the Internet and it is important to consider only confirmed and properly investigated information.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-31-2013 05:17 PM:

Just a short Side story about Aspirin !!

I was working on my Barn and was about 10' high ( By Myself ) and Sliped off Backwards, as I fell I reached back with my left arm to "Catch my Fall". Well after I hit the Ground I felt some Hot Burning in left wrist and for the Fact that my hand was touching my Elbow .. Crushed all the Bones from the back of my hand and up my forearm .. Well I pulled it out Stright and Headed to the House and to the ER and into Surgery .. lots of Pins and Erector Sets and Later after healing I had no Use of my wrist "NONE"

1 month of Theriopy and Still couldn't bend it a 1/2" in eather direction without Hourandenc Pain .. So the Doc put me on a High Dose of Time Released Aspirin .. 1,800 mg per day .. It was " Post-traumatic arthritis " that was givin me a fit .. After a month of taking them went back to PT and got the Wrist Working again ..

But I now have a Continious Ringing in my Ears from the High Dosages of Aspirin and even after 15 years its still Ringing away !!

Posted by hillbilly56 on 03-31-2013 05:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Just a short Side story about Aspirin !!

I was working on my Barn and was about 10' high ( By Myself ) and Sliped off Backwards, as I fell I reached back with my left arm to "Catch my Fall". Well after I hit the Ground I felt some Hot Burning in left wrist and for the Fact that my hand was touching my Elbow .. Crushed all the Bones from the back of my hand and up my forearm .. Well I pulled it out Stright and Headed to the House and to the ER and into Surgery .. lots of Pins and Erector Sets and Later after healing I had no Use of my wrist "NONE"

1 month of Theriopy and Still couldn't bend it a 1/2" in eather direction without Hourandenc Pain .. So the Doc put me on a High Dose of Time Released Aspirin .. 1,800 mg per day .. It was " Post-traumatic arthritis " that was givin me a fit .. After a month of taking them went back to PT and got the Wrist Working again ..

But I now have a Continious Ringing in my Ears from the High Dosages of Aspirin and even after 15 years its still Ringing away !!

know how you feel i been on bloodpressure pills for for 20+ yrs along with pain pills for the aritrits in my spine and knees i have had that rining in my ears for yrs drives me crazy im crazy enough anyway lol

Posted by Phantom on 03-31-2013 05:28 PM:

http://www.kvsupply.com is cheaper then 1800-pet meds on most stuff. also happy jack makes something called Flexenhance does the same thing more or less and a whole lot cheaper.Or was when I used to get it for a dog of mine years ago http://happyjackinc.com/

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Posted by Randy Tallon on 03-31-2013 05:41 PM:

Re: bute pills

I had some butes leftover from a vet visit a couple of years ago for a dog that got into a porkie. Used halves of what the vet prescribed back then on my GrNt that came up lame on Monday. Started him on them on Tuesday and by Thursday he was back to himself and hunted him in an RQE on Saturday. They are an anti inflammatory and pain killer.

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Originally posted by hillbilly56
forget just what they cost aften bought none in awhile thier like a big asprin for horses i cut them into quaters and give them to my dogs but im sorta freinds with a vet and my buddys real good freinds with them get our meds at a discount but i keep ramidall around for my wifes shitzu she has a bad leg in damp weather the old artirits gets in it and helps her alot but it is costly

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Posted by Cooner31 on 03-31-2013 09:10 PM:

Btt

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-31-2013 10:09 PM:

Something I didn't Read is Do Not use the Coated Type Or Not Recommended ..

By far the most widely used anti-inflammatory drug in humans, aspirin is primarily used in veterinary medicine for relief of mild to moderate pain associated with musculoskeletal inflammation or osteoarthritis. The salicylic ester of acetic acid, aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) is available in several different dosage forms including bolus (for cattle), oral paste (for horses), oral solution (for poultry), and tablets (for dogs). Enteric-coated products used in human medicine are not recommended in dogs because gastric retention may lead to erratic plasma exposure.

Posted by Cooner31 on 04-01-2013 02:53 AM:

Posted by rowdyhound on 04-01-2013 03:58 AM:

Also I think they make an aspirin for dogs, think I remember seeing it at one of the pet stores....

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Posted by Cooner31 on 04-02-2013 09:55 AM:

Thanks for all the advice we are looking for something to help make her more comfortable that doesn't cost an arm and a leg

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