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i get really tired of people saying they want to go hunting with me, so i take them and their dog to show them what it's like. they say they really like it and enjoyed themselves and want to go again. i call them and call them. they can't go because of this and that and i never hear from them again. why don't they just say they didn't like it or didn't like me or whatever and go their way. the latest incident, i took a young marine from me church, and his pet blue tick and treed a coon. then i took his worthless mut hunting for him and returned it whcih was out of my way. i called him twice but never heard from him again and never saw him in church again. i'm perfectly content to hunt alone which i do 99% of the time.

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just hunt by your self i got a buddy like that he will hunt when its warm 1st cold snap he turns into a couch tater in fact he got so lazy he clear quit

I've found many guys just aren't cut out for running dogs...I've taken some guys that love to hunt and usually leave them with an open invite to come back....rarely do they ever wanna go again...if they do they seem to get into it a bit then find a girlfriend or something...

Many people are afraid of the woods at nite...some don't like the walking....some don't "get it"..the love of it and enjoyment of running a dog..."how is it fun to hike up a big hill getting cut up by briars..shine a tree and just pet your dog and walk away? You didn't even carry a gun or kill anything?".


Its not for everyone....and even in your case...the guy had a "coon dog" but sounds like it was a pet and he wasn't much of a coon hunter...

Most guys have no idea the time and work that goes into having a good dog...

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I've found many guys just aren't cut out for running dogs...I've taken some guys that love to hunt and usually leave them with an open invite to come back....rarely do they ever wanna go again...if they do they seem to get into it a bit then find a girlfriend or something...

Many people are afraid of the woods at nite...some don't like the walking....some don't "get it"..the love of it and enjoyment of running a dog..."how is it fun to hike up a big hill getting cut up by briars..shine a tree and just pet your dog and walk away? You didn't even carry a gun or kill anything?".


Its not for everyone....and even in your case...the guy had a "coon dog" but sounds like it was a pet and he wasn't much of a coon hunter...

Most guys have no idea the time and work that goes into having a good dog...

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Gutless?? Courteous is more like it. Maybe they are just trying to be nice. Lets look at the facts. On a GREAT night coonhunting the best case scenerio is a loud stinky dog chases a small animal up a tree. You walk to such tree, look at the dog standing on the tree barking. You search the tree with a high powered light perrched on your head and in the ideal setting see what appears to the untrained eye to be a blob in the tree. You say "he got him" or "there he is" pet the dog, walk back where you came from, load back up in a truck and move along. This is the BEST case, not to mention the worst case a night in the woods can have....seriously folks, not a fantastic saturday night for the vast majority of people.

The best thing you can hope for with a person that goes with you is that you educate them about coonhunting and keep them from being anti....expecting them to enjoy it is really unrealistic. They are just trying to be nice by saying they would go again. Dont' take it personal folks....its us thats in the minority of enjoying this hobby.

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I agree with Ron most are just being courteous and just don't want to say they didn't enjoy or it is just not for them. I have done the same when someone wanted me to enjoy their hobby and it is not for me.

I have been coonhunting since I was 6 and I'm over 57 now, and Ron even a good night of hunting for us will seem like a nightmare to someone not into our sport. Hell after chasing dogs for over 5 miles a night thru swamps, plowed fields, up hills, tripping over logs, ( I have always been a cluts in the woods), and those are just average nights, I wonder why I still love the sport.

Hound hunting is not for everyone. I will take anyone with me that wants to go and see what is all about, it's an open invitation. If they like it and want to go again that's great if not so be it, I don't lose any sleep over it. Some times younger groups have other priorities but later on when older they pick it up again. Don't get angry that will just turn the ones on the fence even farther away.

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I sure have went through alot of buddies and girlfriends but have always kept my hounds. Most of them start out by letting a girl friend or wife talk them in to staying in, then its down hill from there.

What gets me is when people call and say they want to go hunting ok let's go tonight come to the house about dark they say I'll be there and never show i hunted with a few guys like this about five years ago they called three different knights the first and secound time i made plans with them and they never showed never called to let me know thay weren't going the third time they called i told them i didn't hunt with liers haven't talked to them since it may have been blunt but it is the truth

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There were dogs behind the house before I was born . Grew up hunting most things and helped Dad with his field trial & water race dogs . Guess I was ruined for dogs before I was born but I've never been as good a coonhunter as my father . If someone calls on a bad night in the winter with snow & cold I'll go but can't say I've ever really enjoyed those tuff nights other than the company . As I remember those early years staying home with a girl was a better night too.

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i only hunt with 1 buddy when im able to go he comes gets me if he says he will be here he will show

Dale I faintly remember those days does your better half screen your emails Hope to get up to Michigan here pretty soon to some hunts maybe see you guys this summer.

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ga.mules and die hard coon hunters are fadeing fast away.

The guy that first took me coon hunting was a tough old bird. Most nights he'd row the boat across the Susquehanna river and I'd sit in the front holding the dogs and shining the light. We'd hunt up a hollow as far as he wanted to go and then hunt our way back. No tracking systems or anything fancy. Man, were those mountains in north central pennsylvania steep!!! To be honest I think he enjoyed hunting but I know he did it more for the money the hides brought more than anything else. He had 5 daughters and none liked to hunt lol. This was when I was about 14 snd we hunted together until i left for the Navy after i graduated and every Friday he'd be waiting for me to get home from my football game and we'd head out. On Saturdays we'd hunt til midnight and not a minute after. He would let me go on school nights. We remained close friends until he passed away a few years ago. He liked having someone to hunt with but had a hard time finding people to go but I couldn't get enough of it.

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The guy that first took me coon hunting was a tough old bird. Most nights he'd row the boat across the Susquehanna river and I'd sit in the front holding the dogs and shining the light. We'd hunt up a hollow as far as he wanted to go and then hunt our way back. No tracking systems or anything fancy. Man, were those mountains in north central pennsylvania steep!!! To be honest I think he enjoyed hunting but I know he did it more for the money the hides brought more than anything else. He had 5 daughters and none liked to hunt lol. This was when I was about 14 snd we hunted together until i left for the Navy after i graduated and every Friday he'd be waiting for me to get home from my football game and we'd head out. On Saturdays we'd hunt til midnight and not a minute after. He would let me go on school nights. We remained close friends until he passed away a few years ago. He liked having someone to hunt with but had a hard time finding people to go but I couldn't get enough of it.

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How about the ones that bad mouth your dog , yet they never been in the woods with it. Better yet you ask them to go hunting and they refuse to go. This is what goes on in myt neck of the woods.

Guys, its like this, were just like the dogs we hunt. Its born in us, not trained.

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Guys, its like this, were just like the dogs we hunt. Its born in us, not trained.

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I've had the same wife for 53 years. When we went together in high school, I had to go cooning with her dad to get to see her. Took her to a drive- movie one night and her brother set in the middle. I couldn't kiss her with out kissing him. But everything worked out and I'am still coon hunting. God's been very good to me. When I had good dogs I had alot of hunting buddies. As the dogs got worse the buddies got less.

Heck a good night coonhunting with our group is more like joking around and having a good time with each other, if we're lucky we make a few trees and see some coons. Coon hunting is more than just dogs and coons, well to me it is anyways. Guess that's why I have so much fun doing it!

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it aggreavates me because they say they like it and want to go again. how do you know if they're being nice or if they want to go again. you have to go through the carp of calling them a few times to invite them and be turned down before you know for sure they're just being nice. i think if they wanted to be nice they should just say it's not for me and not make me keep after them for nothing. afterall, it was me doing them a favor to begin with.

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it aggreavates me because they say they like it and want to go again. how do you know if they're being nice or if they want to go again. you have to go through the carp of calling them a few times to invite them and be turned down before you know for sure they're just being nice. i think if they wanted to be nice they should just say it's not for me and not make me keep after them for nothing. afterall, it was me doing them a favor to begin with.

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ron, thanks. i don't know what you mean but with a smile it must be ok.

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I think a lot of the problem is with "new" hunters is that if you say coon hunting to them it's going to be about "the coon". If they're not dog hunters of some sort they have to get past the part of it's all about getting coon...rabbit...squirrel...birds or whatever type hunting you're doing. As a tree dog guy I certainly appreciate a good rabbit race with beagles and absolutly admire a fine birddog on point. Any of the owners of these type dogs are more likely to "get it" with tree dogs. Most deer hunters are not happy with just sitting in a tree. They want to kill something be it the guy that shoots everything he sees or the guy that passes everything waiting for that deer like they see on tv. Thier season is measured by what they kill. When someone realizes it's about THE DOG and not the pursued game I think thier enjoyment will increase greatly. Face it we're dog people more than coon people or least the coonhunters I know are. This all is not to say I don't enjoy knocking some game out but I enjoy it right through the Summer when none falls out about as much.

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treeluke, you are so right. as a kid i used to go fox hunting with my grandfather. i couldn't care less for the dogs or the fox. i just liked being away from home, by a fire and eating cold vienna sausages with my grand father and sometimes he let me drive. but he loved listening to his dogs.

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I don't give it any thought whether they try it again or not. I always tell a newcomer that they will either like it or hate it. They usually just think we are nuts.

First newbie I ever took was a guy from work and his two boys 12 and 14. They just seen the red fern movie and wanted to see what it was all about. When we pulled into one of my 'sure thing " spots they proceeded to pile out of their truck and uncased three AR 15 looking 22's with the 30 plus round banana clips and a million candle light they had just purchased at the local cabelas store. When one of the boys lit that up to try it out I thought for sure one of the jets flying over would zero in for a landing. So I immediately ran over too them and firmly laid out the ground rules and I now do this ahead of taking anybody new out.