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Is it time for a change in titling procedure?

The point system, 100 points and a 1st place win for Night
Champion, and 5 Nt Champion wins hasn't been changed for years. With the events being smaller and hunts shorter than they were years ago, why not change the requirements to make Nt Ch and Gr Nt? Say two first place wins and 150 points and 10 Nt Ch wins to make Gr Nt as an example. The titles would mean more like they used to. Also it might keep more dogs competing longer to title out so they don't have to start competing in other KC's and the clubs could make more money to stay afloat.

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John Smith
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I've always felt there should be one more step in finishing into a GR.NT. I feel that you should have to hunt your dog by itself and tree a coon and stay the 5 at a minimum! Maybe even have an hr hunt with a non hunting judge and have plus points.

hey

are there less hunt now a days then there used to be? also less clubs?

Leave it the way it is.

Yes, in some ways things are easier now but in some ways they are alot more difficult. The people that know how it works, know what it means and those that don't, don't matter, anyway.

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10 firsts? lol ive hunted against numerous registered dogs that are 3-4-5-6 years old...cant get a first place win but "usually win their cast and quit counting how many 2nd and 3rds they won"



i would like to see nite champions have to pass 1 HTX to be a grand..but not enough clubs hold HTX hunts around here..


dont know about other places but here there is typically an average of 3-4 registered casts and the same for nite champion casts...getting your first comes down to guiding and luck of how the hunt plays out...get a dog or 2 to withdraw early in the hunt and in heavy coon and another casts keeps 4 dogs hunting all nite split treeing a bunch and in thinner coon..the dogs in the heavy coon will have a much higher score every time so long as they are decent dogs..where you could have a much better dog in the thinner coon and it wont score as high..


nite hunts and first place wins come down to a good bit of luck IMO...it takes a coon dog to make it...


if you have clubs that only have 1 cast thats a different story...can title a dog much easier...

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my thoughts are if only 1 night champ shows up to hunt yes he can hunt with a non hunting judge and compete for high score of hunt but no win towards grand no competition no win slip it would put some honesty back into a grand title !

I think it should be harder to make NTCH,maybe 2 1sts? Obviously what was being done 20 years ago wasn't to productive or hunts numbers and houndsman wouldn't be down so much,maybe it is time for a change?

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Jesse nappin
TEAM TREEDOGG!

The change should be that there is a late round. Winners of the the 1st rd have to go back out and hunt against each other for the 1st place win in both registered and NTCH cast. That would cut down on the cheating amongst different cast and you couldn't get beat because of a lousy guide.

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Press 1 Kennels
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And whoever posted 10 NTCH wins is off his meds. I didnt know they allowed the internet in the looney bin.

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Heck I was thinking make it easier. 3 casts of ntch's I win one with 225. Then I lose cause another scores 675. Can't help where you draw. Shouldnt be where you have to beat 12 dogs to win one hunt.

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Michael Ghorley

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Heck I was thinking make it easier. 3 casts of ntch's I win one with 225. Then I lose cause another scores 675. Can't help where you draw. Shouldnt be where you have to beat 12 dogs to win one hunt.

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Originally posted by wryan bailey
Thats why there should be a late round

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A few of us were having a similar discussion over breakfast the other day. Not trying to step on people's feet (Although I probally will) but it seems like the quality of some (Notice how I said SOME) of today's GRNITECH hounds have declined, from back in the day. I've hunted with more then a few GRNITECH'S that were just plain useless. Some were super fast slick treeing fools, some were very noticible yet very consistent ME-TOO'ers/piggy backers, others that wouldn't hunt a lick by theirselves, let alone tree their own coon, and most were all 3!!! I'm curious and seriously stunned that people would actually feed hounds like this, let along spend their hard earned money to take a gamble and try and win a hunt. I'm amazed and puzzled on how hounds like this become GRNITECH's in the first place. Are the people handling hounds like this flipping coins? paying for wins? cheating some other way that I don't know of, or are they just plain LUCKY?

Don't get me wrong I've hunted with some very nice GRNITECH's, yet to no surprise I've hunted with way more extremely sorry hounds that just simply possessed the title of GRNITECH.
Not to long ago it meant something to have a GRAND NITE CHAMPION hound, and the majority of them were NICE HOUNDS. Something needs to be done, rules need to be modified or plans need to be made, so that it's more difficult to become a GRNITECH, and so that earning the title actually means something again! IMO I beleive a hound should have to pass an HTX test before they are ever eligible to hunt in a hunt. Sadily I know this, along with alot of other changes to better our sport will never happen because unfortunately our sport has become centered around $$$$$$.

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With all the Hunters, Breeders an Trainers you ask UKC to change the rules so we can produce a better coon hound WTH LOL

I like the late round idea, that'd cut alot of the "well got dry holed all night" kinda replies lol plus if you win the late round you have done alot more than just merely winning a cast

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i like the idea of late round where there are more then 1 cast of night champions but lets face it alot of grandnights are made at the local level with zero competition 1 dog and a buddy thats the non hunting judge ! same thing goes for making a night champ when you can count all registered dogs that show up on one hand (i say houston we have a problem) but we can change it so to get to grand is harder just by making them have competition its a easy fix 1 dog no win slip

Re: Is it time for a change in titling procedure?

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Originally posted by ov_blues
The point system, 100 points and a 1st place win for Night
Champion, and 5 Nt Champion wins hasn't been changed for years. With the events being smaller and hunts shorter than they were years ago, why not change the requirements to make Nt Ch and Gr Nt? Say two first place wins and 150 points and 10 Nt Ch wins to make Gr Nt as an example. The titles would mean more like they used to. Also it might keep more dogs competing longer to title out so they don't have to start competing in other KC's and the clubs could make more money to stay afloat.

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I say once a dog has his night champion degree he should have to earn its hex degree before hunted on to be grand.

It's all about the money. So much has been put on the "all grand" pedigrees to sell pups that some will go to the extreme to title a dog out for breeding purposes that should have been culled to start with. The prestige of a grand nite tilte has been lowered from what it was years ago. Have always said a dog should have to hunt and be judged by it's self once it has gotten enough for a nite champion degree before the degree is given.

Just my opinion but if a dog will tree a coon and is entered in enough events it can be granded. I know of several grands that have been in ALOT of casts to make grand. They were not coondogs but could tree a coon. They were obviously out matched more than not. But I digress, they were hauled all over and put in enough hunts and caught enough lucky breaks to finish. I like the idea of a late round. The only problem is some clubs have a problem getting guides for a regular two hour hunt with enough territory to last.

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Brian Teague 252-649-3050

maybe PKC needs to change ther rules also,lets say you have to have plus points to win your cast and win the money.

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fred harroun
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fred this a ukc board were talking ukc titles if you want to change the way pkc does things go to prohound board !

Overall were the Grand Nites of 20-25 years ago better than todays Grand Nites? Why?

Dogs of today are by far leaps and bounds ahead of what they were 30 years ago. 30 years ago it was like hunting a pack of beagles, one dog tree and the other 3 would break their necks getting to them. On the grand night question the quality of grands are down I think because some of the best hounds out there dont care about being grand, there in the other kc.

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Deep and lonely!!!!!!!

groworg your right but most of the time when guys want to change ukc rules ive noticed that they usually hunt pkc and want to change ukc rules,was just stirring the pot alittle.

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