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Posted by Randy Howard on 03-08-2013 02:49 PM:

? 60 minute hunts. Opinions

Was reading Mr. Clarks article in Coonhound Bloodlines page 96 March issue. Very good article a must read for all! Makes alot of sense.
I am all for a 1hr. hunts durring the week and have 2 hr. hunts weekends/bench shows, would sure help out with the working man and family man to work a hunt into his or her busy schedule.
And sometimes it's hard to find a good 2 hr. hunt spot with the way things are today.
Whats everyones thoughts on it?

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Posted by Randy Howard on 03-08-2013 02:57 PM:

Please do not bring in the Babbler

Not interested in hearing comments on the Babblers Just the thoughts of 1 hr. week hunts? Thanks

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-08-2013 02:57 PM:

I read the article i like the idea it would help me get to more hunts

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Posted by Jarrod Washburn on 03-08-2013 02:58 PM:

Nice

I like it

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Posted by JiM on 03-08-2013 03:03 PM:

Instead focusing on more hunts, easier hunts, how about looking at the quality of the hunts and the quality of the win. Do you think those would be better?

It seems the goal with this one hour hunt idea is to offer the same prestige (titles) for less hunting.

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Posted by dean jamerson on 03-08-2013 03:11 PM:

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Instead focusing on more hunts, easier hunts, how about looking at the quality of the hunts and the quality of the win. Do you think those would be better?

It seems the goal with this one hour hunt idea is to offer the same prestige (titles) for less hunting.

Bingo! I have always thought the one hour PKC hunts have done more to water down competitve coon hunting than anything else.

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Posted by Rocketman55 on 03-08-2013 03:25 PM:

I agree with Jim on this. I hunted a few 1 hr. shootouts in another registry and quite honestly I was not a fan. 1 hr. hunts are usually a 1 or 2 drop pitch and win situation here where I live. 1st drop when two or more dogs come open 3 or 4 dogs get struck. As a judge you have no idea on this 1st drop what each dog sounds like so (as a shifty handler) you get by with this tactic more times than not on the 1st drop. Now here where I live 1 out of 6 times you will strike & tree and score the tree in under 15 to 20 minutes, but usually you will use 30 to 45 minutes per drop. That only leaves you 15 to 30 minutes to come from behind on anything that may have happened negatively on the 1st drop.

I don't like it so I'm not a fan of this.

If you were going to go to 1 hr hunts, then I, like Jim, don't feel these type wins should carry as much clout as a dog that has won a two hour hunt.

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Posted by JiM on 03-08-2013 04:06 PM:

The other thing is that UKC already offers everything these guys are asking for. Week night hunts, one hour in length, a title for the dogs that succeed and the chance to add to those titles goes on infinitely. It's called HTX and it fills every need these guys are looking for.

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-08-2013 04:11 PM:

So than make the wins worth half the value of two hour hunts or even a third the value or make it so when your hunting reg your first has to come a two hour hunt and from nite ch to grand three wins from two hour hunts id rather hunt two hours my problum is when the hunts are going hard so am i working six and seven days a week so i just can't do a two hour comp hunt but i can hunt a dog two or three drops every other night and have a fairly competitive dog

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Posted by JiM on 03-08-2013 04:18 PM:

Yeah and I could dunk if they'd lower the rim 2 feet.

Posted by CoonBusterWV on 03-08-2013 04:23 PM:

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Yeah and I could dunk if they'd lower the rim 2 feet.

Lol. But so true

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-08-2013 04:26 PM:

Jim i see that you have some dogs with pkc and akc titles do you feel they lowered the bar for those titles both of those kc's hold one hour hunts why would it take more from a title in ukc an not the others

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Posted by Randy Howard on 03-08-2013 04:26 PM:

Walkerdog1

Not a bad idea must compete in at least 1- 2 hr. hunt to gain title. to Nite. ch or gr. nite. and maybe have to pass 1 HTX to gain title also is a a great idea, would sure help the HTX program too and show that a dog can tree coons alone. or you must win your 1st place win at a 2 hr. hunt. I just thought after reading the article would help alot with participation but jmo. Thats why I brought it up to see everyones thoughts

Posted by JiM on 03-08-2013 04:31 PM:

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Jim i see that you have some dogs with pkc and akc titles do you feel they lowered the bar for those titles both of those kc's hold one hour hunts why would it take more from a title in ukc an not the others

Lowered the bar? THERE IS NO BAR in those two KC's. Who talks about their PKC titles? I bet the majority on this site don't even know what the PKC titles are.

Two totally different formats. not at all comparable. Nobody in PKC cares about titles.

I'll ask you again, how is what you are asking for that much different from what HTX already offers? One hour, week nights, title. Check.

Posted by buck brush on 03-08-2013 05:05 PM:

3 hour hunts

i wish they would go back to the 3 hour hunts.

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Posted by josh on 03-08-2013 05:22 PM:

IMO 1 hr hunts do more to hurt hunt attendance than help.

Making things "easier" dosent seem to help much in this regaurd IMO.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-08-2013 05:26 PM:

I say do it. Whether we like it or not. Ukc has a bigger following. One hr hunts would work in a state race type setup. Let grands and all hunt somehow.

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Posted by Andy Miller on 03-08-2013 05:29 PM:

DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF I HR. OR 90 MIN. THINK ABOUT IT SOMETIMES YOU HUNT 2 HRS. AN STILL DONT END UP WITH PLUS POINTS=ITS NOT WORTH DRIVN TO A HUNT FOR 1=1/2 HRS. IT WONT DO JUSTUS FOR THE DOGS PERFORMENCE..

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-08-2013 05:42 PM:

If ukc would assign judges for the HTX hunts may be it would be different but the way it is anyone that is supposed to have knowledge can judge a dog as long as their not the breader or a regulaar hunting partner it can be a old buddy that you hunted with 5years ago i tried them when our club started haveing them put sevral passes on sevral different dogs but its not competition

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 03-08-2013 06:32 PM:

I sincerely like the 1 hour hunt formats for the weekdays. Jim has a good point on "watering down" of titles, but the answers for such are easily dealt with. UKC has had a proposal on their desks for over two years in having 1 hour hunts and some sort of state?money races to boot. Indeed one could say a lot of it would look like a cookie cutter of PKC and some AKC, with a touch of new flavor thrown in. To be realistic, there is only so many ways you can conduct a hunt/ race etc... With the times as they are, it is time for the advent of money into the UKC relm, during the weekdays. Yes we have the slams, but weekends only, and the title concerns come to the forfront when one talks about that. I personally woulf like to see money hunts during the week, and hunt for just that. The titles could still be reserved for the Traditional hunts we have now. Fact is, most of the "money" hunt dogs are already titled out in UKC, and are looking for another way to be able to hunt them, instead of just retiring them or selling them to other KC hunters.

Weekday hunts would be a trememndous boost to UKC's already dominating spot on the hunt market. Change is good at times. If you don't believe it, ask anyone who had Swiss Watch Stock.

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 03-08-2013 06:35 PM:

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Lowered the bar? THERE IS NO BAR in those two KC's. Who talks about their PKC titles? I bet the majority on this site don't even know what the PKC titles are.

Two totally different formats. not at all comparable. Nobody in PKC cares about titles.

I'll ask you again, how is what you are asking for that much different from what HTX already offers? One hour, week nights, title. Check.

HTX: no competition from other dogs in the woods. Didn't beat anyone for anything, just proved him/herself. Thats great, but it doesn't fancy to the competition side of the business, and was never intended to. The comp side is where the bread is buttered, and where most of us still like to play, one way or the other.

Posted by K. Singletary on 03-08-2013 06:43 PM:

Seeing how poor attendance is now, I'm not convinced that adding more hunts is the answer. Fewer hunts with better prizes would do far more for the quality of the hunts than just adding new hunts. Also, don't you think that adding a money race of some sort would have a negative impact on UKC's current format. If I attend a couple hunts during the week I doubt I'll attend one on the weekend.

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Posted by Okie Hunter on 03-08-2013 06:50 PM:

one hour hunts...

My son is at the PKC Nationals in Tennessee and his cast hunted one hour last night. I don't know if that is a cast by cast decision or if all of the first round casts are hunting one hour.

That is a big hunt to be having one hour casts in my opinion.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-08-2013 07:05 PM:

I dont like the 1 hour hunts not much time for anything but the lucky dog to win and i hear guys all the time saying they wont do 3 hours of driving to hunt 1 hour. I still go though. LOL.

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Posted by ssgied on 03-08-2013 07:16 PM:

One hour money hunts through the week, under nitech rules, and 3 hour hunts on the weekend. Heck the kids hunt 90 min.

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