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Posted by Allen / UKC on 02-13-2013 04:40 PM:

What Will You Do Judge?

You are the judge on a four-dog cast. On the first drop of the night Dogs A, B and C are declared struck and treed. Dog D has not been declared struck. The tree is closed. When you are twenty yards from the tree you turn your light on the tree and see all four dogs, including Dog D (which you can also hear), treeing on the same tree. What's your next move?

If you choose option 4: Please explain further.

Have fun with it.

Posted by randy steadman on 02-13-2013 05:21 PM:

ASK FOR A CALL IN CASE DOG DOES NOT STAY AT THE TREE IF HE DOES DELETE STRIKE AND SCORE TREE

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Posted by kydirtdog44 on 02-13-2013 05:24 PM:

judge

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Posted by buck brush on 02-13-2013 05:32 PM:

other

i would call for a strick on dog D and score tree and give dog D what he had coming to him by the rules for the tree because he was there when i walked into tree, so he could end up _ both ways. and i would remind the handler that his dog needs to be struck on or before the 3rd bark .

Allen you should do this more often.

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Posted by randy steadman on 02-13-2013 05:44 PM:

TREE WAS CLOSED DOG CAN NOT RECIEVE PLUS OR MINUS ON A CLOSED TREE

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Posted by patches9452 on 02-13-2013 05:45 PM:

Re: h

quote:
Originally posted by randy steadman
TREE WAS CLOSED DOG CAN NOT RECIEVE PLUS OR MINUS ON A CLOSED TREE

you are wrong

Posted by JiM on 02-13-2013 06:02 PM:

Option 2. After four more barks, scratch dog D.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 02-13-2013 06:07 PM:

Well we know the dog is opening but has not been struck, and we know the dog was at the tree and treeing before the cast arrived, Assigning strike and minusing them and requiring the handler to strike seems correct because then the dog can be held responsible for tree points as well.

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Posted by ssgied on 02-13-2013 06:09 PM:

Option 2, if time is in, dogs must be struck on or before the third bark no matter the sittuation.

Posted by Jack Bingham on 02-13-2013 06:24 PM:

Re: other

quote:
Originally posted by buck brush
i would call for a strick on dog D and score tree and give dog D what he had coming to him by the rules for the tree because he was there when i walked into tree, so he could end up _ both ways. and i would remind the handler that his dog needs to be struck on or before the 3rd bark .

Allen you should do this more often.

If the dog is handled at the tree at the most his strike points would be deleted you cannot minus strike if he is shut out. He would get minus next available tree on slick or off game.

Option #2

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Posted by bluelead on 02-13-2013 06:29 PM:

If coon is found dog should be minused tree too. Just like when you don't tree your dog.

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Posted by Cheyenne on 02-13-2013 06:34 PM:

stop ask for a call, after 3 barks award 25 strike and minus, then ask for call again, if no call dog is to be scratched, if called 25 with a line under it, if tree time is up you can not call the dog on closed tree.

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Posted by mrbluedog on 02-13-2013 06:50 PM:

well been away from comp hunts the last couple years but would tell the handler he needs to get struck in then proceed to tree and have all dogs handled would draw a line through strike points(since he was shut out) and proceed to shine and score tree accordingly with dog D being awarded next available tree points which if coon seen would be minused

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Posted by jdc on 02-13-2013 06:59 PM:

Option 2 you are not minusing him for being at the tree you minusing him because he was not struck in on or before the 3rd bark.

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Posted by chip johnson on 02-13-2013 07:06 PM:

mine is the same as mrbluedog

Posted by dustin15 on 02-13-2013 07:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Option 2. After four more barks, scratch dog D.

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Posted by Whordel on 02-13-2013 07:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Option 2. After four more barks, scratch dog D.

.If it were a kid or somebody new to the sport of comp hunting I would not scratch them just for the simple fact but I believe the call could go this way.

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Posted by Jack Bingham on 02-13-2013 07:58 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bluelead
If coon is found dog should be minused tree too. Just like when you don't tree your dog. [/QUOT

Dog never gets next available on tree and minus if coon seen.

Posted by Jack Bingham on 02-13-2013 08:23 PM:

It's no wonder there are so many arguments in the hunts.

Dog does not go in for 125 tree points unless handler treed on closed tree.

Dog does not get misused tree if coon is seen.

Dog could only receive minus on strike because he was not struck on or before 3rd bark

Posted by blackflagginit on 02-13-2013 08:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Option 2. After four more barks, scratch dog D.

ditto.

not that i will be judging a cast anyway

Posted by blackflagginit on 02-13-2013 08:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jdc
Option 2 you are not minusing him for being at the tree you minusing him because he was not struck in on or before the 3rd bark.

exactly

Posted by Jason Mullins on 02-13-2013 08:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jack Bingham
It's no wonder there are so many arguments in the hunts.

Dog does not go in for 125 tree points unless handler treed on closed tree.

Dog does not get misused tree if coon is seen.

Dog could only receive minus on strike because he was not struck on or before 3rd bark

Stand corrected I just read it

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Posted by oppsumhater80 on 02-13-2013 08:44 PM:

I'm going to half to go with the redbone guy from iowa cause he is 100% right

Posted by Tom Jones on 02-13-2013 09:24 PM:

dog

when dog comes into tree that he was shut out on delete points. which he never had any and he cant be struck in if another dog has been declared treed unless he splits so he cant be awarded any minus or plus strike points, but judge see's him barking, if they come into closed tree they get minus on track and nothing on tree if coon is seen (which he has no strike points). I say delete points

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Posted by T Felderman on 02-13-2013 10:07 PM:

If I'm judging this cast and I dont know a 4th dog is at the tree until we are 20 yards from it I would stop and ask for a call. If no call was immediately made I would minus the dog 25 strike pts and ask for another call.

Then I would score the tree and dog D's strike/tree points accordingly (Dog D's strike points would be deleted)

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