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When do you stop babying a dog?

I have a young dog that was pretty good about having the coon. Well, she's about 18 months old and has started treeing possum pretty regular. Other times I'd just go, not spend anytime at tree and go on. Now, I can tell when there's a possum treed on my way to it. Just trees harder than a coon AHHHWWW AHHHWWW AHHHWWW then just trees pretty hard. Why is my dog treeing harder on it then coon? Yes, she has had coon shot.

Now my question is, I don't want to be rough with this dog o the tree because she not that hard of a tree dog anyway. Sending her on ain't working

So break her off possum not treeing. Trap a possum set the cage right in her pen with her, everytime she even looks interested in it light her up. let her live with that possum for a week or until the dog shows no interest. Just gotts convince her that possums are painful.

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I had no idea there were so many who are afraid to correct their dog at the tree for fear of ruining it until I started following this board. I will offer no advice because my advice would be of no use to the guy that is asking. But I flat guarantee you will never find a single big winning handler that will do anything other than correct that dog forcefully, at the tree, at the very time they catch them under a possum. They may use the e-collar, they may wear them out with a switch but you can be sure they are dealing with right there and then.

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I've never had this particular problem but I had one with fishers last year and I fixed it with a "zzzzz thwap thwap" my female wasnt a real hard tree dog either. a smart dog will realize they get praised for coon and get punished for anything else, I broke her off fisher and she stopped runnin 'yotes too

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Originally posted by JiM
I had no idea there were so many who are afraid to correct their dog at the tree for fear of ruining it until I started following this board. I will offer no advice because my advice would be of no use to the guy that is asking. But I flat guarantee you will never find a single big winning handler that will do anything other than correct that dog forcefully, at the tree, at the very time they catch them under a possum. They may use the e-collar, they may wear them out with a switch but you can be sure they are dealing with right there and then.

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That dog can smell the difference between a coon and a opossum if breaking it off opossum causes it to stop treeing coon you don't have much any way

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Treeing harder coz the possum climbed right in front of the dog...they seen it...


I cant help either.....off game gets corrected the first time it happens...

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Originally posted by mauser06
Treeing harder coz the possum climbed right in front of the dog...they seen it...

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Originally posted by blackflagginit
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sometimes they need a come to jesus meetin just to see the light.........and if there too timid to take what they have earned....there no use to me anyway.

im not wasting time pettin some hounds bruised ego.....im the boss and if they dont want to play by my rules, there is a bone pile with there name on it.

no matter how timid or dominate a dog is, they expect 1 thing from you as there "leader". to LEAD. when you dont, then the problems start getting bigger and bigger.

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a dog is only gonna be as good has the man handlen it..if a man who is a class a handler gets a class c dog that dog will look lke a class a dog while if a handler who is a class c handler gets a class a dog the dog will prolly look like a class c dog they are born with the skills its the handler who brings it out of them..now that dont mean love and baby the dog..best dog i ever had to **** in my yard was also a spoild house dog but she knew what them waders and lights ment when i put them on and said lets go she would be waiten on me at the door raisen up a storm tellen me to hurry up and lets go hunt!

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A class C dog can't be a class A dog ... if so , why did you say it was a class C dog in the first place , lol.

Good handlers don't fool with junk every often , that is the first trick to looking like a Class A handler ... those Class C dogs are more apt to make you look like them than you are to make them look better.

I might not be a world class trainer but the moment they hit the woods they better listen. I just got back into coon hunting a couple years ago. I too was afraid to switch them off the tree or scold them. I have since learned that if it is thr wrong animal or no animal they are treeing they will associate the negative response from me with that and not the hunting itself. It has worked very well. Dog treed a grinner last winter ( little over a year) We had a talk about exactly how mean them grinners were and how they bit real fast all over and have not had him mess with one since. Had a buddies two dogs treeing one he walked right on past them.
They are like a kid if they get away with it once they will continue to try.

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I have seen dogs take a hellacious beating and still tree. The ones that are worth messing with that tree gene is so instinctive they just can't help it. Dogs are different and some I have encountered have taken just a ridiculous amount of correction to correct a certain behavior. The longer you let it go though it seems the harder it is to fix.

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Re: When do you stop babying a dog?

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Originally posted by mngodwin
I have a young dog that was pretty good about having the coon. Well, she's about 18 months old and has started treeing possum pretty regular. Other times I'd just go, not spend anytime at tree and go on. Now, I can tell when there's a possum treed on my way to it. Just trees harder than a coon AHHHWWW AHHHWWW AHHHWWW then just trees pretty hard. Why is my dog treeing harder on it then coon? Yes, she has had coon shot.

Now my question is, I don't want to be rough with this dog o the tree because she not that hard of a tree dog anyway. Sending her on ain't working

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Originally posted by Dirtdevil
A class C dog can't be a class A dog ... if so , why did you say it was a class C dog in the first place , lol.

Good handlers don't fool with junk every often , that is the first trick to looking like a Class A handler ... those Class C dogs are more apt to make you look like them than you are to make them look better.

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What..they are always my babies!
That being said I would rather have the sensitive and smart dog I can cuss off of bad game or false trees than the one that needs a come to Jesus meeting.
I think you need to be a good judge of dogs personalities to decide how to handle a particular dog and issue and one size does not fit all, especially when it comes to laying hands on a dog.
I think there are very few dogs that aren't smart enough to learn what we want out of them...handlers...well thats another story.
I would start out using the least amount of correction you need to get the job done, remember you can always turn up the 'heat' but you can never go back down.

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heck i have a 7.5-8 month old female that burnt a deer right in front of me this season. ran her down tackled her and worked her over pretty hard for being 6 months at the time. 10 minutes later she struck and treed a coon in the same woods. The more you let a dog get away with something at a young age , the harder it is to break when they are older!!

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I will agree one size doesnt fit all when it comes to punishment....however by the time i get to the woods with a dog I already know the max amount of correction needed to fit the crime, regardless of what that crime is.


all one dog might need is a "HEY what the #)_@)@#U*%_#@%_@# do you think your doin, GET"


some may need the full out boots to the head, fangs to fist, rollin in the dirt battle royal...........just to remind them of who the boss is


no matter the personality though, the max amount of correction needed to fix the problem is used from the first offence.

one of the old days training greats told me when i was a kid " i can go overboard 1 time and make an impression.......or i can love tap him a 100 and him never see the light. To me its far less cruel to have to correct 1 time and be done with it."

I don't like a dumb dog or a soft dog ... there are dogs that mess up and can take what is coming and then learn from it and not need to repeat it ... but , it sounds better on a message board to exaggerate like their are only extremes so you sound smart.

To many ignorant people out there... Oh I won't whip my dogs azz off a tree... Please that is why many have mediocre dogs... You can't put the tree into a dog that won't tree... And you are not gonna take the tree out of a dog that is a natural tree dog... A good azz whooping and put the fear of god in them if the dog has any brains it won't take many to break them...

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I stop babying my dogs as soon as I get them.
Start teaching them what "NO" means as soon as they do something wrong.
They know what it means BEFORE we ever get to the woods.
Makes correcting a dog , for anything , a whole lot easier for the rest of their life.

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I never start babying! I take the best care of them possible, I am nice to them and never do anything to abuse them but there is never a mistake or question about who is in charge and what is expected of them. A dog will respect you for that and consistancy is what they need to perform their best. Don't get me wrong I don't have a kennel full of cowardly dogs pissing on themselves and hiding from me. When I walk out there they are all going crazy wagging tails and excited that I am there and ready to go. I have them for a reason and that is to hunt, my wife has a 6lb miniature pinscher and that is what gets spoiled around here but nothing is expected out of that dog either. They may not always do exactly what I want or expect but each and every time from the start that they don't they are going to know about it. Each dog's age, personalitly and the circumstances will dictate what is done to correct the situation but you better believe it won't go unchecked. You cant baby a dog and then all of a sudden decide it does something you don't like and expect it to respect you if it never has before. Of course there are some dogs that from the start have a weaker will, not for me at all, and about the only thing they need is a loud voice to correct them but that is not the type of dog that is going to be constantly challenging you either. They will most likely just accept you as being in charge from the start. Every time you let an undesired behavior go unchecked it just multiplied what it is going to take you to get it under control later. If you are afraid that your dog is weak on tree and are afraid to do anything while at the tree on a possum do like someone else said and catch one in a trap and do whatever it takes with her and the possum on the ground to make her never ever want to see or smell one again and it'll take more than one time and works better if you do it in multiple places as well. You know your dog better than anyone on here could and should know what amount of correction it will take to make her go the other way everytime she sees or smells one. For me this would be using an e collar and just burning their ass up each and everytime she showed any interest in it. Then id take it in trap and set it out somewhere that she'd run across it at night and if she even checked up where i put it burn her ass up again. You do this enough and it will take care of your problem. By the second night you'll probably think you cured it. then a week or month down the rd she might get on another one. Instead of waiting for that Id just put another one out there in a week or two and try to get her again. If nothing else after this run her in the e collar and if she messes with one on the ground or tree burn her up again. she will already know why she's gettign the juice by this point and it will have nothing at all to do with treeing or a coon but if you let her get away with it again you may as well start over.

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Originally posted by JiM
I had no idea there were so many who are afraid to correct their dog at the tree for fear of ruining it until I started following this board. I will offer no advice because my advice would be of no use to the guy that is asking. But I flat guarantee you will never find a single big winning handler that will do anything other than correct that dog forcefully, at the tree, at the very time they catch them under a possum. They may use the e-collar, they may wear them out with a switch but you can be sure they are dealing with right there and then.

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