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Posted by DSKennels on 01-12-2013 04:48 AM:

Those that just get it all wrong.

Went to a hunt tonight at a club, and the hunt was terrible from the get-go. I had to enter a dog conditionally (papers at UKC now) and had to go through hell and spell out the rules on the situation before being permitted to enter. Then there weren't enough judges and the club wanted to just draw from a hat, before I protested and made everyone in the place hate me. Then the cast I was on, just as bad. "Let's call timeout but still score the tree..." "All spectators can shine..." A tree with no hole, no nest, all alone with no coon seen gets circled. It was just terrible. Now I haven't been in a competition hunt in 4 years. Has it really gotten this bad that quickly?

Sorry, had to vent.


Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-12-2013 05:41 AM:

You got a real bad cast but some hunts are getting bad the club is just as bad draw a judge from a hat what a joke if the club don't follow the rules you its members don't

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Posted by JiM on 01-12-2013 02:26 PM:

What do you mean by papers are at UKC now?

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-12-2013 03:03 PM:

You can enter a dog with out a card or papers on a conditional entrey for a additional fee of 5 bucks as long as you know the dogs number and registered name if you put the wrong info down your just out your money

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Posted by DSKennels on 01-12-2013 03:16 PM:

JiM, the papers are being processed by UKC now, as I'm the new owner of the dog. There is a new owner provision to follow for conditional entries.


Posted by Plott55 on 01-12-2013 03:22 PM:

Re: Those that just get it all wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by DSKennels
Went to a hunt tonight at a club, and the hunt was terrible from the get-go. I had to enter a dog conditionally (papers at UKC now) and had to go through hell and spell out the rules on the situation before being permitted to enter. Then there weren't enough judges and the club wanted to just draw from a hat, before I protested and made everyone in the place hate me. Then the cast I was on, just as bad. "Let's call timeout but still score the tree..." "All spectators can shine..." A tree with no hole, no nest, all alone with no coon seen gets circled. It was just terrible. Now I haven't been in a competition hunt in 4 years. Has it really gotten this bad that quickly?

Sorry, had to vent.



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Posted by DSKennels on 01-12-2013 03:51 PM:

That'd be okay if it weren't a kennel club sponsored event, which has rules.


Posted by riproarinkennel on 01-12-2013 04:01 PM:

Re: Those that just get it all wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by DSKennels
A tree with no hole, no nest, all alone with no coon seen gets circled.
WE CALL 'EM," CHARLIE BROWN TREES ". LOL.
ONE OF THE OTHER HANDLERS DIDN'T HAPPEN TO BE 11 YEARS OLD, DID HE ???

SEE YOU AT THE NEXT TREE.
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Posted by rockett42 on 01-12-2013 04:02 PM:

hunt

the reason i dont hunt ukc. more fussing over a trophy than you can stand. not all casts are this way but you hardly ever see anyone take their minus. a lot less fussing in the other registry.


Posted by DSKennels on 01-12-2013 04:45 PM:

Riproarin,

Sure wasn't. I was the youngest. Another over 30, and another over 50 and to top it off, a MOH!


Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-12-2013 06:40 PM:

Drawing from a hat for a judge is just a joke a judge is supposed to know the rules drawing from a hat could get you a judge that has never seen a rule book!!

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Posted by chaz2012 on 01-13-2013 03:34 AM:

Re: Those that just get it all wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by DSKennels
Now I haven't been in a competition hunt in 4 years. Has it really gotten this bad that quickly?

Sorry, had to vent.


Not till you showed up roflmao
oh if you folks think the other kc"s do not have any bad cast or clubs you have not been to many hunts

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Posted by Jammer2122 on 01-13-2013 04:45 AM:

Step up

Our local clubs need your support. Are you a member of this or any other club? Did you offer to judge? Did you offer to guide? These hunts don't run themselves. If you had been the judge you could have minused those tree's.Help out next time and you will have a much better hunt.


Posted by jculler8 on 01-13-2013 01:16 PM:

Re: Step up

quote:
Originally posted by Jammer2122
Our local clubs need your support. Are you a member of this or any other club? Did you offer to judge? Did you offer to guide? These hunts don't run themselves. If you had been the judge you could have minused those tree's.Help out next time and you will have a much better hunt.


1- it's the clubs responsibility to have enough ABLE guides and judges.
2- it's impossible to minus a tree when 3 vote to circle, no matter who you are.
3- it's EVERY handler's responsibility to know and ABIDE by the rules, judge, handler, spectator or guide.

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-13-2013 01:50 PM:

Re: Re: Step up

quote:
Originally posted by jculler8
1- it's the clubs responsibility to have enough ABLE guides and judges.
2- it's impossible to minus a tree when 3 vote to circle, no matter who you are.
3- it's EVERY handler's responsibility to know and ABIDE by the rules, judge, handler, spectator or guide.

X2

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Posted by Jason Gillespie on 01-16-2013 01:11 PM:

X3

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Posted by Slough on 01-16-2013 01:46 PM:

Re: Re: Step up

quote:
Originally posted by jculler8
1- it's the clubs responsibility to have enough ABLE guides and judges.
2- it's impossible to minus a tree when 3 vote to circle, no matter who you are.
3- it's EVERY handler's responsibility to know and ABIDE by the rules, judge, handler, spectator or guide.



I agree with this but there is a catch to #1

Coonhunters need to join at least 1 local club and be active in a positive way to make it better. Find land to guide on and learn the rule so they can be available to judge. When at a neighboring club, offer to guide if you are needed. They might have to set a later deadline but will get all the hunters in the woods.

I am seeing more and more hunters not wanting to put the extra effort into the sport but want clubs to provide all the necessary ingredients to make a hunt successful.

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Posted by riproarinkennel on 01-18-2013 01:45 AM:

Re: Re: Those that just get it all wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by riproarinkennel
WE CALL 'EM," CHARLIE BROWN TREES ". LOL.
ONE OF THE OTHER HANDLERS DIDN'T HAPPEN TO BE 11 YEARS OLD, DID HE ???

SEE YOU AT THE NEXT TREE.
- DR. GUMMY






NOT THE BEST PIC, BUT HERE SHE IS. 14 FEET TALL, 5 LIMBS, AND NO LEAVES.

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-18-2013 02:53 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Those that just get it all wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by riproarinkennel


NOT THE BEST PIC, BUT HERE SHE IS. 14 FEET TALL, 5 LIMBS, AND NO LEAVES.

lol that's funny let's circle it ha ha ha

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Posted by Whordel on 01-18-2013 05:07 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Those that just get it all wrong.

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Originally posted by riproarinkennel


NOT THE BEST PIC, BUT HERE SHE IS. 14 FEET TALL, 5 LIMBS, AND NO LEAVES.

Hey that looks like the tree at the state hunt the non-hunting judge circled!

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Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 01-18-2013 05:31 AM:

At least they didn't try to plus it. LOL


Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-18-2013 05:46 AM:

and thats the reason i say do away with circle points plus or minus in fact do away will all the rules and go by these rules 4 dog cast turn dogs loose strike dogs tree dogs coon seen plus coon not seen minus no time on strike but still have five to close out a tree and two on the dogs declared tree still other then that throw the bs loophole crap out so no one can bend the rules be alot less dogs in the hunts but you would help the breeds out the most and thats what counts if your worried about winning titles and trophy get into shooting matches.

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Posted by BIGGUN! on 01-18-2013 10:45 AM:

Ukc needs to grow a set.if u got a ?.if u know deep down your rite put 20 bucks in and get a panel back to the tree if the agree with u the other cast members will be repremended and not able to judge or even banned for a yr that way they wouldnt do the dumb s#it like that and have a fair ruling on situations likethat one this is one reason i dont hunt ukc much anymore!!!!!

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Posted by JustinH23 on 01-18-2013 01:25 PM:

All this talk of rules, I hope that picture was taken with a camera, and not a phone......

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-18-2013 02:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JustinH23
All this talk of rules, I hope that picture was taken with a camera, and not a phone......
the rule doesn't say you can't have a phone just that you can't talk or txt on it i belive been awhile since I've looked at it

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