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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 12-24-2012 12:53 AM:

Gov. Gun Buy back

NY Gov. Cuomo says confiscation of guns or a mandatory gov. buy back is is something being considered.

D. Feinstein says she will push for a mandatory national Gov. gun buy back. I don't know but it looks like they are coming after our guns.
I think Feinsein will have a tough time getting her way but I wouldn't bet some states could pass a law like this.
Cuomo could pull this off in a state like NY.

I learned something today. Watching TV and a Congressman was talking about putting armed police officers in schools.He said that Washington DC schools all have police officers at all city schools. It was because of all the officials kids going to school there. I guess their kids are more important the ours.

Posted by truly on 12-24-2012 12:56 AM:

Columbine had two armed guards on duty at the time of their shooting.

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Posted by Diggerman on 12-24-2012 03:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Columbine had two armed guards on duty at the time of their shooting.

So what are you sayin Ben?You keep beatin around the bush on this issue.Where do you stand?

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Posted by croatankid on 12-25-2012 03:58 AM:

i like the idea of a local, say county government, putting armed guards at schools. but of course they would be high paid, lazy, inattentive governemt employees that would be hard to fire and would be worthless in a situation.

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Posted by Doug A on 12-25-2012 11:43 PM:

Hey Ben - Why don't you research and tell us the whole story about the armed guards at Columbine? You're either not telling the whole story or are being a typical democrat and only telling the part of the truth that suits you. Don't forget to tell us how the SWAT behaved that day. On another point, I am a teacher and I'd like to either carry a sidearm or have one in a locked safe in my room. We don't have an armed officer in my small rural school.

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Posted by trackdriver on 12-26-2012 01:18 AM:

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Originally posted by croatankid
i like the idea of a local, say county government, putting armed guards at schools. but of course they would be high paid, lazy, inattentive governemt employees that would be hard to fire and would be worthless in a situation.

Should be nra funded guards then you can see your money at work.

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Posted by Joe Wesson on 12-26-2012 01:46 AM:

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Should be nra funded guards then you can see your money at work.

No,it should be funded with tax dollars. We could cut out the welfare and food stamp fraud and provide the security that the children need. I guess the fat, lazy a$$ deadbeats would be opposed to this. They are one of the biggest problems in our country. This will be corrected in due time!!!!!

P.S. The socialist liberals that seem to be concerned about the loss of innocent children that have jumped on the ban wagon that guns are the problem, why do they not want to save lives of unborn children by abolishing abortion? All life is precious, starting at conception. As far as the security at our schools, we need to arm teachers and also have uniform officers present as well. This needs to be addressed, but disarming law abiding citizens is not the answer. JMO

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Posted by C Zink on 12-26-2012 04:18 AM:

They could bring home some of the 1000's of troops that are stationed in countries that there is no reason for them to be there and use them. Or they could use some of the vets from Iraq and Afghanistan I would say there qualified .

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Posted by curs12 on 12-26-2012 12:42 PM:

Its so tough to know what the answer is, armed guards might help and arming teachers could not hurt,

Posted by conhtr1 on 12-26-2012 01:08 PM:

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Originally posted by truly
Columbine had two armed guards on duty at the time of their shooting.

I only heard of one and he was eating lunch in his car.

Was reported that Harris was equipped with a 12-gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun, (which he discharged a total of 25 times) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm with thirteen 10-round magazines, which he fired a total of 96 times.

So he fired 121 shots with no magazines larger than 10?

Klebold was equipped with a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun. Klebold primarily fired the TEC-9 handgun, for a total of 55 times.

Fired 55 times but had high capacity magazines.

Posted by curs12 on 12-26-2012 01:51 PM:

after thinkin on this for a minute, i think all schools should have two armed guards at the one unlocked entrance, the guards could serve dual purposes, they could watch the door and they could after school kinda watch over the kids going away and coming in the morning etc...it would help for sure, in the case of an actual shooting i don't know how effective they would be but at least they'd slow the shooter down to get law enforcement there.

Posted by truly on 12-26-2012 06:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Diggerman
So what are you sayin Ben?You keep beatin around the bush on this issue.Where do you stand?

quote:
Originally posted by Doug A
Hey Ben - Why don't you research and tell us the whole story about the armed guards at Columbine? You're either not telling the whole story or are being a typical democrat and only telling the part of the truth that suits you. Don't forget to tell us how the SWAT behaved that day. On another point, I am a teacher and I'd like to either carry a sidearm or have one in a locked safe in my room. We don't have an armed officer in my small rural school.

I am opposed to the idea of putting armed guards at the entry points of all public schools. The astronomical cost is reason number one. If our schools have it in their budget to add one or two full time employees to the budget then lets hire some more teachers.
#2, it won't really make schools any safer IMHO. Maybe inside the school building might be safer, but what about kids that go outside for recess or gym class? Every day at the private Christian school across the street, kids go out for 15 minute recess, and when it is time to go back in they line up in a perfect row along the sidewalk. Obviously very vulnerable to any nut with a gun. Both during the lineup and during playtime. The coward nutjob with a gun will always be able to find a moment of vulnerability, no amount of armed guards can stop a gunman who is willing to die in the act.
#3, to the extent that it might deter some killings at public schools, it is likely to just transfer it to other venues where people gather in mass. Parades, water parks, fairs, shopping malls, churches, etc. If a coward nut job gun man is looking to kill a bunch of people he will find a crowd somewhere. Even UKC coon hunts. Thank goodness UKC has a policy of no firearms at their events.
THe problem with expecting a gun to be of any help in protecting your safety is that you would literally need to be "at the ready" 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, the rest of your life. I don't disagree with our 2nd amendment right to bear arms. But I do disagree that having those arms actually makes us any safer.
Doug, how many of your coworkers/teachers do you think are qualified and would want to carry a gun in a school setting? If your gun is in a safe, and you are on lunchbreak, playground monitoring, or doing some other duty away from it how much time would it take to get to it? If your school has a large outdoor playground area, and a gun man came near it with a .223 Bushmaster AR15 with several 100 round magazines, and had modified it into essentially an automatic [using a bumpstock and rubber band], how many kids would he have killed before you could take him out with a 9mm handgun with a 9 bullet clip? The small town grade school that I went to all 120 kids took recess at the same time. I would say a gun man could have taken out 20-60 before return fire would have stopped him.

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Posted by truly on 12-26-2012 06:23 PM:

And one more question for you Doug. If a gunman comes to your rural school, and you are carrying, and the gunman has you seriously outgunned and mows you down in a hail of fire, do you think he is gonna stop there or be inspired to keep killing now that he has gunned down someone that is returning fire?
Cause see I think these cowards who kill kids will be inspired by having mowed down an adult, and the mayhem will only increase.

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Posted by headless01 on 12-26-2012 06:50 PM:

we've had sheriff's at our schools for about 15 yrs because of drugs and gang behavior.

Posted by Rip on 12-26-2012 07:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
And one more question for you Doug. If a gunman comes to your rural school, and you are carrying, and the gunman has you seriously outgunned and mows you down in a hail of fire, do you think he is gonna stop there or be inspired to keep killing now that he has gunned down someone that is returning fire?
Cause see I think these cowards who kill kids will be inspired by having mowed down an adult, and the mayhem will only increase.

You would be wrong because in other instances when the gunman just saw someone with another firearm they turned the weapon on themselves to go out "on their own terms". They didn't want to shoot at someone that would fight back.

Arming the teachers would make the schools safer. It has been proven over and over and over again. Make gun laws stricter crime goes up, loosen them up crime goes down. Look at Virginia, huge increase in gun sales and a big decrease in crime. Hmmmmm

These attacks happen in "gun free zones" and that's WHY they happen there. The nutcase knows they are helpless and will have to wait on the cops, when someone shows up that can shoot back they kill themselves.

If you allow the teachers that have a concealed carry permit to carry then that fixes the school part because the would be gunman has no idea how many or where they are located. He will then select another gun free zone to do his killing.

If that isn't the problem then would you be willing to put up a sign in your front yard declaring your home a gun free zone and that you dont' believe in guns?

I bet not.

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Posted by Diggerman on 12-27-2012 12:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
I am opposed to the idea of putting armed guards at the entry points of all public schools. The astronomical cost is reason number one. If our schools have it in their budget to add one or two full time employees to the budget then lets hire some more teachers.
#2, it won't really make schools any safer IMHO. Maybe inside the school building might be safer, but what about kids that go outside for recess or gym class? Every day at the private Christian school across the street, kids go out for 15 minute recess, and when it is time to go back in they line up in a perfect row along the sidewalk. Obviously very vulnerable to any nut with a gun. Both during the lineup and during playtime. The coward nutjob with a gun will always be able to find a moment of vulnerability, no amount of armed guards can stop a gunman who is willing to die in the act.
#3, to the extent that it might deter some killings at public schools, it is likely to just transfer it to other venues where people gather in mass. Parades, water parks, fairs, shopping malls, churches, etc. If a coward nut job gun man is looking to kill a bunch of people he will find a crowd somewhere. Even UKC coon hunts. Thank goodness UKC has a policy of no firearms at their events.
THe problem with expecting a gun to be of any help in protecting your safety is that you would literally need to be "at the ready" 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, the rest of your life. I don't disagree with our 2nd amendment right to bear arms. But I do disagree that having those arms actually makes us any safer.
Doug, how many of your coworkers/teachers do you think are qualified and would want to carry a gun in a school setting? If your gun is in a safe, and you are on lunchbreak, playground monitoring, or doing some other duty away from it how much time would it take to get to it? If your school has a large outdoor playground area, and a gun man came near it with a .223 Bushmaster AR15 with several 100 round magazines, and had modified it into essentially an automatic [using a bumpstock and rubber band], how many kids would he have killed before you could take him out with a 9mm handgun with a 9 bullet clip? The small town grade school that I went to all 120 kids took recess at the same time. I would say a gun man could have taken out 20-60 before return fire would have stopped him.

WHAT???

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Posted by Diggerman on 12-27-2012 12:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
I am opposed to the idea of putting armed guards at the entry points of all public schools. The astronomical cost is reason number one. If our schools have it in their budget to add one or two full time employees to the budget then lets hire some more teachers.
#2, it won't really make schools any safer IMHO. Maybe inside the school building might be safer, but what about kids that go outside for recess or gym class? Every day at the private Christian school across the street, kids go out for 15 minute recess, and when it is time to go back in they line up in a perfect row along the sidewalk. Obviously very vulnerable to any nut with a gun. Both during the lineup and during playtime. The coward nutjob with a gun will always be able to find a moment of vulnerability, no amount of armed guards can stop a gunman who is willing to die in the act.
#3, to the extent that it might deter some killings at public schools, it is likely to just transfer it to other venues where people gather in mass. Parades, water parks, fairs, shopping malls, churches, etc. If a coward nut job gun man is looking to kill a bunch of people he will find a crowd somewhere. Even UKC coon hunts. Thank goodness UKC has a policy of no firearms at their events.
THe problem with expecting a gun to be of any help in protecting your safety is that you would literally need to be "at the ready" 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, the rest of your life. I don't disagree with our 2nd amendment right to bear arms. But I do disagree that having those arms actually makes us any safer.
Doug, how many of your coworkers/teachers do you think are qualified and would want to carry a gun in a school setting? If your gun is in a safe, and you are on lunchbreak, playground monitoring, or doing some other duty away from it how much time would it take to get to it? If your school has a large outdoor playground area, and a gun man came near it with a .223 Bushmaster AR15 with several 100 round magazines, and had modified it into essentially an automatic [using a bumpstock and rubber band], how many kids would he have killed before you could take him out with a 9mm handgun with a 9 bullet clip? The small town grade school that I went to all 120 kids took recess at the same time. I would say a gun man could have taken out 20-60 before return fire would have stopped him.

As far as cost,what liberal ever cared about cost???2, You make the gun availible to the teachers,they only carry if they want and pass an emergency and safety test. The psycos wouldn't know which schools are packin and which are not.3 you just proved that there could be a million different scenerios that psycos could attack and haveing guns in the teachers hands is the ONLY way to insure immediate counter measure.

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Posted by Diggerman on 12-27-2012 12:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
And one more question for you Doug. If a gunman comes to your rural school, and you are carrying, and the gunman has you seriously outgunned and mows you down in a hail of fire, do you think he is gonna stop there or be inspired to keep killing now that he has gunned down someone that is returning fire?
Cause see I think these cowards who kill kids will be inspired by having mowed down an adult, and the mayhem will only increase.

I can only imagine how much better Doug would feel dying a hero who saved some lives as opposed to dying a temporary shield.

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Posted by JTROTT on 12-27-2012 01:30 AM:

Gun Control? Really?

Somewhere in the area of 50,000 people a year are killed by handguns. Approximately 150,000 crimes of violence a year are stopped by the use of handguns by the victims of the crime! If the law abiding citizens have no access to guns then it stands to reason that the LAWBREAKERS will still have their guns, because they don't follow the laws anyway. This will give the CRIMINALS a free run to do whatever they want to do anytime they want to do it and not be afraid of getting their A$$ shot off!

If there is a 9mm pistol laying on a table, will it just jump up and shoot you? If there is a 9mm bullet laying beside that same pistol will it jump up and shoot you? If that 9mm was loaded with that shell that was beside it, just laying on the table, will it just jump up and shoot you? NO!, NO!, and No!!!!

It take the physical act of a human to pick up that weapon, point it at someone and pull the trigger to discharge that round into someone!!! IT IS A HUMAN ACT!!!!! NOT the act of an inanimate object!!!

What you should really be afraid of is going to the doctor!!! 350,000 to 400,000 people a year die from the malpractice and negligence of the doctors that take care of us!!

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Posted by Doug A on 12-27-2012 04:26 AM:

Well Ben, I think you have already saw what my response would have been. To summarize: 1) I believe to the point of knowing that these deranged individuals are cowards and attack places where they know that they will not be confronted by anyone carrying a weapon. Just the idea that they will not be in total control will prevent from trying. 2) It doesn't matter how many teachers have guns, where they are, what type or caliber they are because we'll, see # 1. 3) No cost involved. I'd volunteer and I believe that would be the way it was every where. 4). Transferring the killing to another venue? That's hyperbole and even if it were the case why then hopefully our armed conceal carry citizens would be able to step up. And lastly, not to get off track but have you been out any of these cold nights? I've been a wimp! Oh by the way, Ben and I know each other and I respect Ben and his right to his beliefs. We actually agree on many other viewpoints. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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Posted by headless01 on 12-27-2012 05:14 PM:

Seen on abc news last night, woman in los angeles was turning in 2 remington pump deer rifles because she felt bad about the shootings in CONN. wonder if she felt bad enough to send the money to them, didnt hear that come out of her mouth.
all the good people gonna turn their guns end and let the bad guys keep theirs, and we'll live happily ever after at peace for ever, in LA LA land; yea right
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giving list of people's names and address's that have gun permitts around NY, CONN, gonna get peoples property stolen, and more people assaulted and killed, MORE PROPAGANDA. and if 1 single person is harmed because of their list, the blood is on the medias hands, not the people that had permits to protect themselves and families, loved ones. just can't understand; arming the drug cartel, and disarming law abiding citizens to be killed by armed criminals.

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Posted by truly on 12-27-2012 06:21 PM:

Doug, been laying low this last week. Treed a few as the last snow storm rolled in. Gonna try tonight and next week looks possible again. FYI-One of the landowners over by where I ran into you by the public land has been touchy this fall. Jim J got the brunt of that. Don't get shot now......

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Posted by headless01 on 12-27-2012 07:52 PM:

now their giving them groceries for their 2nd amendment rights, and these puppets want the rest of the people to follow suit, good grief!!! we'll feed you, so you don't starve, but we'll take your freedom in return. good trade, huh?
seems like i seen this before, similar deal with Native Americans.
now thats a PLAN.

Posted by GA DAWG on 12-27-2012 10:05 PM:

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...assault-weapons

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Posted by headless01 on 12-27-2012 11:26 PM:

well, apparently she better outlaw flameable liquids and lighters too!!! some nut just came out of drugy drug store and doused homeless woman with flameable liquid and set her on fire while she was asleep on a bench.

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